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So, you in essence have another charter based system within the city that people may overlook that has a graduation rate between them at 88.7% in terms of percentage, as of 2019-2020 information. A website with charter school info: https://www.goodschoolsroc.org/ Correction, a couple may not be eligible due to just being outside of city limits in Greece, if I'm viewing the map on the website correctly(RACS and Young Women's Prep).
These are the schools or programs to consider that would be available and eligible within the Say Yes to Education scholarship program.
As mentioned before, it could also be an incentive to attract people to the city or at least consider it as an option.
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IMHO, it's because the students, especially the failing students, do not get proper support from home. If you had any close experience with these kids, you'd see that in many cases, these "kids" are being "raised" (loosely using the term) by teen-agers, girls that became pregnant at 16-17 years of age. They, in turn, never finished school, so how can they be expected to know what to do.
And the sad and frustrating thing is, it's become a vicious cycle......
I agree with you. In the almost 100 years after slavery, and without calls for reparations, black families were moving up the economic ladder on their own. 80% of blacks were raised in 2 parent households. Then came all the welfare programs, and now the statistics are reversed. Maybe if we "peal the onion" and fix the source of problems, things could improve. Why are we putting band aids on problems instead of surgery?
I know you're a gearhead. If your engine won't start, will a new set of tires help? Sure would look nice, but doesn't help at all.
What are you talking about? Where did I say that anyone had to go to college or people don't have to be responsible?
I'm just asking a simple question as to why Rochester doesn't consider this program that allows for students that graduate and may not be able to do so economically, the opportunity to attend college if they want to. All this does is offer a better path to accomplish this. This doesn't have anything to do with "holding" anyone's hand and reality isn't as simple as you make it out to be. Students will still have to be responsible for their actions and meet certain criteria.
If anything, it may also serve as an incentive to bring people back into the city and you want your urban schools to do well.
Just looked into it. Of course it's presented as the best thing since slice bread, but a fluff web site promoting the program only presents what it wants you to see. Where are the RESULTS?
One thing I did see, which I found interesting was "free legal assistance" for students. HMMM
Also "predictable barriors to achievement". If they are predictable, why not just remove them?
Just looked into it. Of course it's presented as the best thing since slice bread, but a fluff web site promoting the program only presents what it wants you to see. Where are the RESULTS?
One thing I did see, which I found interesting was "free legal assistance" for students. HMMM
Also "predictable barriors to achievement". If they are predictable, why not just remove them?
Perhaps it is related poverty and unions, which this program plays a part in dealing with said issues via a privately funded scholarships and by including charter schools.
Free legal assistance may be related to family circumstances that students may have to deal with, as an example.
I do find this pushback “interesting” not only from the aspect of benefitting the city in multiple ways(attracting families, potentially improving educational attainment, etc.), but also in that self professed “conservatives” would back a privately(key word) funded program.
Also, families moved up when manufacturing was more viable, but has since peaked in employment in the United States in March of 1979. I know this from personal experience. So, that potential for black families to get into the middle class has decreased for many said families. This doesn’t even get into Urban Renewal, migration to areas with relatively higher incomes that were growing(especially if you are starting with very little to begin with an not really as much monetarily, but has transferred to benefits), the integration aspect and other things mentioned in other threads.
Keep in mind this is in relation to Rochester and how an educational based program can help the city, not a specific type of family, which is another sidetrack of the actual issue.
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^Doesn't make sense though...This is more like not doing the same thing and expecting different results. Meaning, if you are a city with a high poverty rate, wasted Human Resources, decking population and school results that are underachieving, you want to provide something that allows a real opportunity to those in the city and those that may want an urban environment or could be attracted to living in your city. It is nice to have idea circumstances, that’s not reality and sometimes you have to offer some solutions, not talking points or analogies.
^Doesn't make sense though...This is more like not doing the same thing and expecting different results. Meaning, if you are a city with a high poverty rate, wasted Human Resources, decking population and school results that are underachieving, you want to provide something that allows a real opportunity to those in the city and those that may want an urban environment or could be attracted to living in your city. It is nice to have idea circumstances, that’s not reality and sometimes you have to offer some solutions, not talking points or analogies.
But you can't keep blaming "the system" for the failure rate of the RCSD's students. At some point you need to place the responsibility where it belongs, on the shoulders of the students and their parents. Look at historical data, for DECADES, the school district produced well educated students who progressed into leaders of this community. Then it declined.
What was the cause of the decline? It appears that a lot of the problem can be traced back to the break down of the family unit. HTH is the SCHOOL supposed to fix that?? As has been said, MULTIPLE TIMES before, the student is in school 30 hours a week, 9 months a year. In that small amount of time, it's next to impossible to repair the damage that is inflicted upon them, the other time that they're not in the school building.
With respect to solving the problem, I'll be 100% honest, I don't know..............
But you can't keep blaming "the system" for the failure rate of the RCSD's students. At some point you need to place the responsibility where it belongs, on the shoulders of the students and their parents. Look at historical data, for DECADES, the school district produced well educated students who progressed into leaders of this community. Then it declined.
What was the cause of the decline? It appears that a lot of the problem can be traced back to the break down of the family unit. HTH is the SCHOOL supposed to fix that?? As has been said, MULTIPLE TIMES before, the student is in school 30 hours a week, 9 months a year. In that small amount of time, it's next to impossible to repair the damage that is inflicted upon them, the other time that they're not in the school building.
With respect to solving the problem, I'll be 100% honest, I don't know..............
No one is denying the breakdown of the family unit playing a part, but then how do we explain the success of the charter schools that get kids from the same communities? Some also blame the union aspect in terms of teachers, as well as many of the teachers don't live in the community they teach in. That is turn may give the impression that it is just a job versus actually caring about the students they teach. So, there is also a perception that is out there.
This doesn't even get into the fact that the district isn't as integrated as it once was and ironically educational gaps declined during the peak of school integration in the 80's/90's, topping out in 1988 or the lack of school choice. To be honest, I feel there should be more charters, given the results and the more options, the better.
My point isn't just in terms of the schools, but in order to attract more people into the city, the program I'm referring to would play a part in keeping or even attracting some families to the city. Especially if they know they have viable educational options that would lead to higher educational options. I'm thinking of this more in terms of not only motivating students that are/may be behind to shoot for legitimate goals like attending college if they want to(which isn't a be all, end all), but also in terms of the city making it more enticing to get people to move there.
Initially, it had a smaller cohort of students in different cities, but Syracuse was the first citywide program. Then, came Buffalo, Greensboro-Guilford County and now Cleveland. So, it has grown in recent years.
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