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Old 11-29-2011, 03:47 AM
 
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The people of Buffalo have a severe inferiority complex. Something I noticed while attending school there.
Why in the world would they?

Buffalo has MUCH better nightlife and is much more known nationally

I went to school in Texas and nobody knew where Rochester was when I mentioned I was from there. When I told them it was near Buffalo then they had an idea where it was.

Rochester has some decent things about it like low cost of living but I would never move back there... to provincial and overly smug about nothing
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Old 11-29-2011, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Rochester, NY
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Why in the world would they?

Buffalo has MUCH better nightlife and is much more known nationally

I went to school in Texas and nobody knew where Rochester was when I mentioned I was from there. When I told them it was near Buffalo then they had an idea where it was.

Rochester has some decent things about it like low cost of living but I would never move back there... to provincial and overly smug about nothing
You'll have to ask the people of Buffalo why, not me. I attended school for 4 years and that was one of the major things I noticed.

And you just confirmed something else for me that I posted in another thread recently. The first thing anyone mentions about Buffalo is their nightlife. Great. For most people, that's pretty far down on the list of priorities.

People know Buffalo because they have 2 major pro sports teams. Rochester doesn't. And honestly, who cares? That's part of this complex they have, which is to constantly remind people that they are more known nationally than Rochester, as if that really matters. Your post only serves as an affirmation of my thoughts.
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Old 11-29-2011, 03:26 PM
 
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Why in the world would they?

Buffalo has MUCH better nightlife and is much more known nationally

I went to school in Texas and nobody knew where Rochester was when I mentioned I was from there. When I told them it was near Buffalo then they had an idea where it was.

Rochester has some decent things about it like low cost of living but I would never move back there... to provincial and overly smug about nothing
Other than bars being open till 4 am, the nightlife is no different.
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Old 12-02-2011, 10:49 AM
 
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That's part of this complex they have, which is to constantly remind people that they are more known nationally than Rochester, as if that really matters.
LOL, I am not from NY state, but moved here about 5 years ago. I spend a lot on time in the car in both cities and usually have the radio on. The impression I get is that Buffalo acts as if Rochester does not even exist, it's not on the radar of the everyday Buffalonian. Rochester in it's media and people I have met has a keen awareness of Buffalo and it's environs. ROC radio frequently mentions events and news items or even simple chatting on the morning talk shows about Buffalo and it's suburbs with the understanding that Rochestarians are familiar with where such places as Amherst or Tonawanda are. In the same way that Rochester has an unrequited competition with the much larger Buffalo Urban area, Buffalo does the same with the much larger Toronto urban area.

An urbanized area as defined by the US Census Bureau is contiguously built up areas of more than 2,500 people per square mile. The most recent available dat from the US Census Bureau shows the Buffalo urbanized area to be just under 1 million people while the Rochester Urbanized area at about 690,000. A true birds eye view of Buffalo as used by many worldwide organizations includes such places as NF Ontario and has a Buffalo Urbanized population of about 1.5 million people or about twice as many as Rochester. Simply put Buffalo is better known than Rochester becasue it is bigger and Toronto is much better known than Buffalo because it is bigger.

The MSA's are not a good view of a regions urban size because they by law include complete counties only, For Example the Buffalo MSA includes only 2 counties of approximately 1,600 square miles while the Rochester metro includes 5 counties (stretching almost to Pa) and over 3,200 square miles. Even then with 3 extra counties and more than twice the land area the Buffalo MSA still has 100,000 more people.


Here is a link to a listing of the World's Largest Urbanized Area's - Toronto comes in at number 50, Buffalo comes in at #232 and Rochester at number 361.

http://www.mongabay.com/cities_urban_01.htm
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Old 12-02-2011, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Rochester, NY
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LOL, I am not from NY state, but moved here about 5 years ago. I spend a lot on time in the car in both cities and usually have the radio on. The impression I get is that Buffalo acts as if Rochester does not even exist, it's not on the radar of the everyday Buffalonian. Rochester in it's media and people I have met has a keen awareness of Buffalo and it's environs. ROC radio frequently mentions events and news items or even simple chatting on the morning talk shows about Buffalo and it's suburbs with the understanding that Rochestarians are familiar with where such places as Amherst or Tonawanda are. In the same way that Rochester has an unrequited competition with the much larger Buffalo Urban area, Buffalo does the same with the much larger Toronto urban area.
I never hear anyone talk about Buffalo on the radio. Only time Buffalo is mentioned is due to its sports teams. And yes, people from Rochester love the Sabres and Bills. Which you should be thankful for, as both would no longer exist if it wasn't for fan and business support from Rochester. Any other rare time people mention Buffalo, it's usually because it's the butt-end of a joke.

If Buffalo has any "competition" with Toronto, it has to be the biggest mismatch in the history of mismatches.

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An urbanized area as defined by the US Census Bureau is contiguously built up areas of more than 2,500 people per square mile. The most recent available dat from the US Census Bureau shows the Buffalo urbanized area to be just under 1 million people while the Rochester Urbanized area at about 690,000. A true birds eye view of Buffalo as used by many worldwide organizations includes such places as NF Ontario and has a Buffalo Urbanized population of about 1.5 million people or about twice as many as Rochester. Simply put Buffalo is better known than Rochester becasue it is bigger and Toronto is much better known than Buffalo because it is bigger.
No, it's well known because of it's sports team. Someone in Alabama knows nothing about Buffalo other than the Bills. Same with just about anywhere else in the country. Well, they might know them for terrible weather and for it being a poor, rust belt city.

But yes, Buffalo feels slightly bigger. It used to be one of the largest cities in the country. It's had a long and depressing decline. But congrats, I guess, for having a larger urbanized area that once was way larger. Inconsequential.

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The MSA's are not a good view of a regions urban size because they by law include complete counties only, For Example the Buffalo MSA includes only 2 counties of approximately 1,600 square miles while the Rochester metro includes 5 counties (stretching almost to Pa) and over 3,200 square miles. Even then with 3 extra counties and more than twice the land area the Buffalo MSA still has 100,000 more people.
Again, so? If you like so many people around move to NYC. These are stats the average person couldn't care less about.

Monroe county's population density is 1,129 per square mile. Erie county's is 880. Either way, it's something just about nobody recognizes or cares about.
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Old 03-30-2012, 01:09 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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When I opened this thread I expected to read peoples opinions about each city or about the different experiences in each city. I would love to learn more about the personalities of Buffalo and Rochester because I really don't believe that competition is appropriate for cities, ice cream flavors, or types of music. They are all based on preferences or ones palate.
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