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Old 08-24-2010, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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When will the suburbs knock out all of the rural areas? There are so many illegal and legal immigrants coming in here each here. That means more apartments and little fake communities will be built and more people will move rural to try and escape this. How long until the whole rural America lifestyle disapears?

Not sure why, but this has been a constant fear of mine for my whole life. I've always hated when I hear or see about new apartments being built out in rural areas or new suburbs being created. It's like this thing that is in my mind 24/7.
Who employs these illegals, Meat Packing Plants, Chicken Processors?
If you deport 100 there will be 100 more unless we force the employers to pay a livable wage to American employees
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Old 08-24-2010, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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The condition of the average "wage slave" is largely self inflicted. With a reasonable lifestyle and reasonable expectations, it's not that hard to live on what most folks would consider "unliveable wages." We (modern society) are economic gluttons, who are slaves to our lifestyles.

(note: I'm not talking about you in particular or anyone else in particular... I'm just saying on average and as a whole)
After being self empoyed for 19 years, I learned that I could live any amount nessesary.
I lost my business and then was caught in the middle of a fraud scam from ID theft. I lost all I had, including credit and bank accounts. For several years I lived month to month, day by day. Now that's where you learn how to budget money After all my bills were paid I learned to live on less than 300.00 a month. It wasn't easy, but I did.,,for 3 year is. (and it was just recent, not decades ago)
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Old 08-24-2010, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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After being self empoyed for 19 years, I learned that I could live any amount nessesary.
I lost my business and then was caught in the middle of a fraud scam from ID theft. I lost all I had, including credit and bank accounts. For several years I lived month to month, day by day. Now that's where you learn how to budget money After all my bills were paid I learned to live on less than 300.00 a month. It wasn't easy, but I did.,,for 3 year is. (and it was just recent, not decades ago)
So we should do away with the Minimum Wage, Social Security and Medicare and let Americans work 60 hours a week until they die. That way we could compete with North Korean Slave Labor
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Old 08-24-2010, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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So we should do away with the Minimum Wage, Social Security and Medicare and let Americans work 60 hours a week until they die. That way we could compete with North Korean Slave Labor
Is that a question?
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Old 08-25-2010, 05:40 AM
 
Location: Not where you ever lived
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If you do away with SS and Medicare you find more homeless and even more houses on an already depressed housing market. IL Minimum Wage is $8.50 but it doesn't make any difference because the grocers and the gas stations, the hardware and lumber companies, and services raise prices to block any savings or even insurance for the Minimum wage earner. We have a grocer who employs mainly uneducated, works them like pack mules on few hours with no breaks, or give them 12 hour shifts with one half-hour break. They are forced to work off the clock with no pay/ Most of these folks can't afford a $300.00 apartment and with the economy they can't find another job. .It is one of the downsides of living 50 miles from nowhere.
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Old 08-25-2010, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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If you do away with SS and Medicare you find more homeless and even more houses on an already depressed housing market. IL Minimum Wage is $8.50 but it doesn't make any difference because the grocers and the gas stations, the hardware and lumber companies, and services raise prices to block any savings or even insurance for the Minimum wage earner.
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We have a grocer who employs mainly uneducated, works them like pack mules on few hours with no breaks, or give them 12 hour shifts with one half-hour break. They are forced to work off the clock with no pay/ Most of these folks can't afford a $300.00 apartment and with the economy they can't find another job
. .It is one of the downsides of living 50 miles from nowhere.
That's "exploitation and Black mail"....I know it goes on across the country.
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Old 08-25-2010, 07:28 PM
 
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You are right about Southern IL changing...I have lived here all the while watching it change and I can tell you...it's been a change for the worst....I don't know how Chicago has anyone left in it as it seems their major export is people and 90% of them end up down here with their mouths wide open,their eyes blinded and their ears closed.

It's really sad to see an area you've loved taken over by people you can't stand to be around and who want to bring their ways(including the grand kids who bring their crime ridden,scumbag ways with them...look at the news for Sesser a few months back.Chicago transplants were responsible for that) with them when they come..

http://www.thesouthern.com/news/loca...cc4c03286.html
I feel your anger. I'm in a "small city" and can't stand to be around half the people here. So, I'm pretty private (and love it).

You must feel violated (sorry for such a strong term), considering the unwelcomed (understatement) invasion.

There are ways to keep out undesirables, but they are illegal/immoral/harmful - and not worth the ultimate consequences, imho.

However, there will always be small towns without the "scumbag" element - simply because they use means to keep them out. Why have certain towns remained prominently a certain ethnicity or whatever for so many years? They have "ways". But I surely don't suggest them.

Yes, there will always be small towns.
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Old 08-26-2010, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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Small towns outside of metro areas may be at risk, but rural America far outweighs (in available land) the urban area, at least as far as I can see. The rural area I live in is perfectly safe, no chance of getting built up in my lifetime.
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Old 08-26-2010, 10:56 PM
 
Location: Niceville, FL
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It really is a hard balance to keep a small town both small and thriving. You do need some industry, agricultural processing, or commercial/transportation hub that will bring in enough jobs to keep the area stable and have a hope of retaining some of the best and brightest kids from the school district who would otherwise flee to the big city after high school or college. If any of the Illinois/central Mississippi River folks have ever driven through Cairo, IL, then there's the classic example of a onetime prosperous small town that has utterly and possibly fatally fallen apart.

But at the same time, you don't want to be too prosperous or be located in too scenic of an area and creat conditions that will draw too much growth in a direction not consistent with the town's original values.
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Old 08-26-2010, 10:58 PM
 
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Quite safe in areas of our county to the west of me.

We have Green Acres program here to help farmers with land taxes.
Basically, if you meet the agriculture criteria, your land is taxed on what it would sell for as farmland rather than what some developer would be willing to pay.

I went to the county meeting and farmers a few miles west were complaining why it ( Green Acres) doesn't benefit them.

The answer was the value of their land was higher for farming than for developing.

This was due to the fact that area has excellent soil and is out of commuting distance of the biggest town/city in the county.
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