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Old 11-15-2010, 05:00 PM
 
Location: montana
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Mn and WI. are quite cold places in the winter. The Upper Michigan ( U.P.) does not get as cold , we are tempered by the Big Lakes, mostly Lake Superior. WE get more snow , but its not as cold. The plus also is its not so hot in summer . few have AC up here. ( Last summer was an exception however ). Our snow is mostly powder, dry low humidity, a lot like higher elevations in the Rockies.
Why live in anyplace where temp extremes can effect your living..IE; heating and cooling costs. Most anyplace in the Great Plains will have this problem. The Midwest is known for these extreme swings. The U.P. is an exception, check it out.... The other place is the mountains in NC. and east TN. But , you need to be at 4,000 feet or more for cool summers, and they still get ice storms and power outages. Tornado's are another bad thing common to the Midwest...but not in Upper Michigan. The U.P. is as ideal as you can get, as long as you like lots of snow. ( we have great snow removal, seldom a problem).
i have hauled many loads of equipment to michigan, a few went to ellsworth? north of cadillac.. and yeah there was alot of snow.. Michigan is very nice if you get away from the cities...
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Old 11-15-2010, 05:08 PM
 
Location: State of Superior
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I think various parts of most northern states would work.

The 5 acre price thing is going to be somewhat relative. Taxes are relative too - we can't getaway from those and it often depends on how you live in the end that determines which state is going to be most affordable for you on that. Things to consider on which states will be more friendly to you on taxes: how many cars? self employed? how big of a home? how much communte? how much $ do expect to make in each area? drink or smoke? These factors will have far more effect on where you end up when paying taxes than most people realize. Every state varies greatly on income tax, auto license fees, sales tax, property tax, sin tax, gas tax. For me with a family of four, all with cars and my wife and I being self employed, South Dakota works great. Property taxes are a bit high, but there is no state income tax like when I was in CO, and the vehicle reg. costs were thru the roof their compared to here.
As far as taxes , the southern states have the lowest overall. I lived in western NC for 18 years and our property taxes were dirt cheap compared to almost anywhere else. Auto/truck regs. costs had a max cap also. Sales tax 6 per cent. Yes on Income tax. Fl. no income tax , but way too hot and energy, insurance , everything was too expensive. Hurricanes contributed to that problem..... I think the cheapest place you could live in the US would be the mid-south, but only at very high elevations and land costs are now becoming expensive in these " ideal spots", like Highlands, NC. , Beach MTn.,NC, and the Tri-Cities in E. Tn. The wealthy folks have found these places and are moving out of Atlanta, Charlotte, and Knoxville,etc. and are building summer homes. drives up land prices, and building costs. Also , the " half Backers" have found the Mountians as a retirement alternative to Florida heat.
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Old 11-15-2010, 05:15 PM
 
Location: State of Superior
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i have hauled many loads of equipment to michigan, a few went to ellsworth? north of cadillac.. and yeah there was alot of snow.. Michigan is very nice if you get away from the cities...
All thats in Lower Michigan ...a different animal. Upper Michigan is part of the Northern Tier , just like Montana, ND. , MN., ON...of which it has a lot in common, the people, the weather, and the lower cost of living. Less crime and jobs are a plus also. ND is the place to go for Jobs, these days, we are growing also , with new mining ventures, no oil , but lots of minerals, iron ore, gold, silver, copper , and now Nickle. We go online next year with the only nickle mines in the US., right here in Marquette County.
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Old 11-17-2010, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Washington State
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Alright. I hope this is in the right place.

So, my girlfriend - in an attempt, I'm quite sure, just to upset me - has been talking a lot lately about settling down somewhere and starting a family. She knows I don't like thinking about that just quite yet - I'm 25, she's 23 - but nevertheless, manages to bring it up at least once a week.

So we have these long talks about marriage and children and a bunch of other things that make me want to jump off a cliff. But especially lately, she's been wondering where the best place to live would be. She's even got this fairly extensive list of what she's looking for in a town or area.

I've taken a look at it, and I'm fairly certain that such a place meeting her criteria would be hard to find. But, mostly out of curiosity, I thought I'd post it here in case anyone might know a place like this. So here is the (abridged) version:

1. A place with few enough people to allow a great deal of privacy, but enough to not be completely in the boonies. So a small town.

2. A place with real estate / land cheap enough to get 5 or so acres without breaking the bank - she's big into gardening, sustainable farming, and whatnot. Either land or a house - she wants to build a house if she can't find one she likes. How she plans to pay for it, she has yet to divulge.

3. A place with rich Autumn foliage/colors. Don't ask me why.

4. A place with a high chance of a White Christmas. Again, don't ask.

5. A place relatively near a major transportation hub - Airport, Amtrak, etc.

6. A place with relatively low/moderate taxes.

7. A place where she could get DSL/Broadband internet. That one, at least, I understand.

Personally, I don't know anywhere that would fit all those. Maybe somewhere in New England (Maine?), or maybe Minnesota/Wisconsin. We've both lived in Seattle for most of our adult lives, and I know there's nowhere in the Pacific NW that would qualify.

It's probably all just wishlisting on her part, especially considering that the Army moves me where it wants to, and she works in Seattle, anyway. But I thought I'd inquire with you good people, if only to get her off my back for a while. And it doesn't hurt to dream, I suppose.

Thanks, in advance!
Drive over the Mountains and check out the wenatchee/quincy area.
There are plenty of small towns in the area.
Real Estate is fairly cheap over here, so finding that plot of land shouldn't be hard.
Wenatchee has plenty of trees for Fall color. So if you don't live there, it'll still be a short drive.
Snow usually starts right around Christmas time.
Amtrak has stations in Ephrata and Wenatchee. Wenatchee has an airport. Also driving to Spokane or Seattle to fly out is an option.
Taxes--we still don't have the state income taxes, if you stay out of city limits the property taxes aren't too terrible. I pay $500 a year for 19 acres.
Both Douglas and Grant counties are wired with fiber internet--that's why Yahoo, Microsoft, intuit and others are setting up server farms here.

Drive on over this weekend and chek it out. If the passes are open.
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Old 11-17-2010, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Lead/Deadwood, SD
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As far as taxes , the southern states have the lowest overall. I lived in western NC for 18 years and our property taxes were dirt cheap compared to almost anywhere else. Auto/truck regs. costs had a max cap also. Sales tax 6 per cent. Yes on Income tax. Fl. no income tax , but way too hot and energy, insurance , everything was too expensive. Hurricanes contributed to that problem..... I think the cheapest place you could live in the US would be the mid-south, but only at very high elevations and land costs are now becoming expensive in these " ideal spots", like Highlands, NC. , Beach MTn.,NC, and the Tri-Cities in E. Tn. The wealthy folks have found these places and are moving out of Atlanta, Charlotte, and Knoxville,etc. and are building summer homes. drives up land prices, and building costs. Also , the " half Backers" have found the Mountians as a retirement alternative to Florida heat.
I can't find anything showing southern states as having the least tax burden, most seem to lie in the middle. You said Yes on state income tax, which for me would be more than a little drop in the bucket.

Thats why I said it is relative to how one lives. A 7% income tax on my family would be almost double what my property taxes are. And then there still would be some property tax on top of that so in my situation if I made the same $ in NC as I do in SD my wife and I would be short several thousand per year. Now if I lived in a larger fancier home on an acreage and made the same $ the situation would be much different.
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Old 11-17-2010, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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I can't find anything showing southern states as having the least tax burden, most seem to lie in the middle.
Even if a Southern state did have a higher 'tax burden' that would not necessarily preclude a person from finding a home in a Southern area where you do not pay income taxes and where you could have low property taxes, just like you can up North.



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... Thats why I said it is relative to how one lives. A 7% income tax on my family would be almost double what my property taxes are. And then there still would be some property tax on top of that so in my situation if I made the same $ in NC as I do in SD my wife and I would be short several thousand per year. Now if I lived in a larger fancier home on an acreage and made the same $ the situation would be much different.
Good comparison.
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Old 11-17-2010, 02:42 PM
 
Location: State of Superior
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All I know is what I have done over the years , living in a lot of more rural places around the Country.
I always picked resort areas for quality of living , yet looked for lower property taxes by buying land outside of " developments" ,and other places where cost are higher, and the locals depend of the city folks who have summer homes...who wind up paying the bulk of the costs.
I would hire workers at local rates. Materials cost about the same , where ever you live however. My overhead was always less than my competitors in the cities who were doing the same thing, namely service business that were nationally based. ... If you have your income in Chicago burbs and your business was there , but you lived remotely , there was an advantage the city based Guys could not compete with.
In retirement , its about the same. Look for lower property taxes. NC is going to have lower taxes than say Illinois, little doubt.... I do agree , any rural place is going to have lower cost of living, regardless of what part of the Country. Its just I always look at quality of living also, retired or not, thats why I picked resort areas, or just outside , rather than being in a big city , or a state that has to feed these big tax bases. I think there are more in the South in general than in the North. It IS changing , and one plan does not fit all, everyone has a different need and a different source as to where their incomes come from.... Sort of living in a third world Country, and have income from a first world country. Little doubt , you get more for your dollar in the rural setting, a real good reason to consider moving there, especially on a fixed income.
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Old 11-17-2010, 03:09 PM
 
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The U.P. of Michigan fits all the wants and needs on that list,...Quite a bit like some places in Maine do.
Marquette County is the ticket. Low taxes, stable home prices, no crime , jobs, clean air , and lots of snow. It does not get so cold ether if you stay near the Big Lake. Nothing beats Fresh water, and Lake Superior has the best nature has to offer. Marquette keeps getting awards as the best place to live, there is a reason that is so. O' and by the way, Sawyer International is 20 miles south of the city.
Land is cheap, compared to most other places that can offer natural beauty.
Ah, you beat me to it! I was going to say Marquette. Has everything on the list. I would also say the Duluth area (because of more job opportunities) and the Ashland, WI area. There are a lot of self-sufficient, gardening types around Ashland.

What was your degree in? What does your girlfriend do for a living?
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Old 11-17-2010, 03:20 PM
 
Location: State of Superior
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Ah, you beat me to it! I was going to say Marquette. Has everything on the list. I would also say the Duluth area (because of more job opportunities) and the Ashland, WI area. There are a lot of self-sufficient, gardening types around Ashland.

What was your degree in? What does your girlfriend do for a living?
Automotive Journalism , Historian. Most honorary....which Girlfriend ? lol
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Old 11-17-2010, 03:34 PM
 
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I meant the OP silly! But really? Automotive journalism? That's interesting...
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