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Old 04-11-2012, 09:28 AM
 
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23 police officers is 23 too many

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Old 04-12-2012, 02:43 AM
 
Location: Canada
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My opinion is that you don't understand the structure of law enforcement in the United States.

Unlike the rest of the world, the US is unique in that there are often multiple jurisdictions that often over-lap.

The structure in each State is slightly different.

There is a federal level of law enforcement which encompasses numerous agencies (FBI, DEA, BATF, Secret Service, US Marshals etc etc etc).

A State may or may not have State police. Ohio has BCI (Bureau of Criminal Investigations) and State Troopers. Troopers only have jurisdiction on US Interstates and Routes (eg I-75 and US 50) and on Ohio State Routes (eg Ohio SR128 or SR264). Ohio has no State police per se except for those authorized to carry weapons on State-funded university campuses (eg Miami University or University of Cincinnati) or on the grounds of hospitals which are owned in whole or in part by the State (eg University Hospital). They have no jurisdiction off-campus or off of the grounds of the hospital (except while traveling on a State Route).

The next level of jurisdiction is the County. Ohio has only Sheriff's departments which perform a variety of law enforcement missions. It differs greatly from the Commonwealth of Kentucky where those functions are divided into the County Sheriff and the County Police. In the Commonwealth of Kentucky, the Sheriffs perform only those duties associated with courts, such as providing correctional services in county jails, serving criminal warrants, serving court orders for both criminal and civil cases, transporting prisoners, functioning as bailiffs in court, and providing security at courthouses. The County Police perform strictly law enforcement on the streets. Many States such as Ohio have combined County Police and Sheriffs into one organization for administrative and management purposes. Sheriffs in Ohio have county-wide jurisdiction and often augment local police.

Township police are the next level of jurisdiction. They may or may not exist in your State, and that is especially true of those States (and Commonwealths) that first formed the United States. Miami Township in Hamilton County has Township Police. It is an unincorporated township, but has trustees to manage the affairs of the township. The Hamilton County Sheriff's Department already provided patrol services for the township, but the people wanted additional police protection, and were willing to pay for it through higher property taxes. The trustees merely contract and pay the Sheriff's Department additional monies to provide added police protection.

City, village and municipality is the lowest level of jurisdiction.

You claim 23 cars, but that doesn't necessarily translate into 23 cops on duty at the same time. Even if it were true, one cop per 500+ people is not that bad. Cincinnati has one cop per 150 people.

Most likely, with 23 cars, there are 6 cops on duty per shift, or one cop per 2,000 people, which is not that much.

There are a number of environmental factors that will skew patrol requirements, such as being on the border with Mexico or Canada, having a major interstate run through or near the city/town, and so on.

Check the police blotter reports and go to the county's web-site to check the crime statistics.

Remember, police are under local civilian control. Any time you are so inclined as to perform your civic obligations as a citizen and take charge of your police department and put the brakes on the insanity, all you have to do is vote, and specifically vote for a mayor and city council members that will reign in the police instead of letting them run wild.

Officer friendly...

Mircea
Interesting post. I'm not American and I have always wondered about how the police were structured/hierarchy of, in the US so you've answered some of my questions.
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Old 04-14-2012, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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only the people who cannot fend for themselves, you meant to say?
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Old 04-14-2012, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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23 police officers is 23 too many

What an assinine thing to say
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Old 04-14-2012, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Northern MN
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I lived in a "village" population of 1048
We had one security guard that was bought and paid for.
And a sheriff or state trooper for police.

Now and then things did get out of hand and everyone knew the police on Avg were an hour or more away at any time.
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Old 04-14-2012, 02:23 PM
 
Location: ๏̯͡๏﴿ Gwinnett-That's a Civil Matter-County
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I've lived in places that have way too many cops.

Some of them were wealthy cities and had huge tax bases so they have a lot of money blow and they hired more cops than they know what to do with.

And there's some cities or counties where it seems like there's a ton of cops but really what it is, is there aren't as many roads as other cities. So driving down the main roads you pass a lot of cops.
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Old 04-14-2012, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Riverside County / Maricopa County
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I didnt see anything like this posted, so here goes. I live in a town of roughly 12000 people. One thing that has always bothered me about here, over other small towns, is that we have too many police officers. When I think of small town, I think of a sheriffs dept. and thats it. We have 23 cop cars, last I heard; I think thats a few too many. One sheriffs dept. should be able to handle the job, if you ask me. What are ya'lls opinions on this?
23 cars doesn't always equal 23 Officers. Keep in mind, The Police have to have cars to use as back-ups when the regular shift cars are damaged or in need of maintenance.
If you have a squad of 6 Officers, that squad may have 9 cars assigned to it.
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Old 04-14-2012, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Sarasota FL
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When seconds count, don't worry, the police are only minutes away.
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Old 04-14-2012, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Riverside County / Maricopa County
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So I guess there should be more police then?
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Old 04-14-2012, 10:16 PM
 
Location: MMU->ABE->ATL->ASH
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My local Sheriff Dept, (Both Law enforcement for the un/incorp part of county & court/jail/server etc stuff). in a suburb of Atlanta, They have about 1.5 cars per Patrol deputy. Office are on 12 hr shifts, when most of them are done for the day they leave the car at the office. There are enough cars so some are out for repair they have enough in fleet, also cars to cover overtime/special duty. Some (Not many) deputies take car home with them, (K9, School resources officers, SWAT, Detectives) but there cars are counted in the 1.5.



When I lived in a totally rural area each deputy had a car issued to him that s/he took home at night, they were all on call 24x7 for emergency call out. and the deputies lived all over the county so if the on-duty ones needed extra backup, the dispatcher could call on the off-duty ones to help, and them having the car at home allow them to respond quickly, with out driving 45min or so to the office to pickup a car and drive back.
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