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Old 02-04-2013, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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I saw this thread and while I do not live in a small town per say, Pueblo is 160,000 people, I do understand where some of the issues come from with the larger metro areas. They, and by they I mean politicians and business leaders, tend to think what is good for the large city is good for the state, thus, we should all pay for it, however, they rarely feel the same way about the smaller cities and towns. That makes it hard to get things outside of the larger metro areas and can cause animosity towards the larger MSA. Pueblo has difficult time getting things and we do have population. Smaller towns that are under 10,000 people with almost no political pull on their own its almost impossible.
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Old 02-04-2013, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Cody, WY
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I saw this thread and while I do not live in a small town per say, Pueblo is 160,000 people, I do understand where some of the issues come from with the larger metro areas. They, and by they I mean politicians and business leaders, tend to think what is good for the large city is good for the state, thus, we should all pay for it, however, they rarely feel the same way about the smaller cities and towns. That makes it hard to get things outside of the larger metro areas and can cause animosity towards the larger MSA. Pueblo has difficult time getting things and we do have population. Smaller towns that are under 10,000 people with almost no political pull on their own its almost impossible.
Pueblo and Colorado in general have the same problem as many states, to wit, one huge metro area that has a huge population which effectively disenfranchises the voters in the rest of the state. I lived in Colorado, Denver metro, Colo Spgs, and Ouray, for thirty years. It has the finest weather, the most beautiful scenery, certainly the best skiing, in the world. If I could move back to the Colorado of 1967, the year I moved out there, I'd grab my pets and stuff, and be on the way. But nothing could make me move back to the Colorado today. Why? Because I hate the oh-so-sophisticated easterners, west coasters, and some evolved westerners (so-called) who now constitute a majority in the state and who destroyed my home. May they burn in the worst chamber in Hell.

Those newcomers didn't come from small towns; they came from big cities and brought their big city ideas with them. Many of us came from big cities as well. But I didn't come to make changes. Along with plenty of others in earlier days I came to escape. I grew up in the Chicago area where people were proud of the corruption in that pit of foulness. I knew people who had moved from big cities all over to embrace the values and mores of the West. Many came out during the Depression, many after World War II, many who had been drafted into the Army and sent to Fort Carson; we all came out looking for a better way of life. I don't know when it started to change but suddenly we knew it had.

In 2000 there was a bill in the legislature to prohibit private sales at gun shows. It quickly died as everyone assumed it would. The legislature was with those of us who had been in Colorado a while. But then a bunch of liberals with plenty of out of state help got enough signatures to put it on the ballot. No one dreamed it would pass, but it did.

It took me two years to arrange things to move to the brown and windy hills of Wyoming. The scenery and weather are mostly different but the same sweet aroma of freedom is in the air just as it had been in my beloved Colorado so many years before. The old timers are dead; the World War II vets are dead; many of the rest can't move for one reason or another. Many who can have joined the good conservatives of California going into exile. We've moved to states where it's rural enough that our votes will count. But we'll never try change our homes; they're right just as they are. For the things that really count, I did move back to the Colorado of 1967 or earlier.
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:20 AM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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Okay. You could have made your point without making fun of the way I talk. That was just immature. Not everyone was raised to speak like a news anchor.
And BTW, note that you're being ridiculed by someone complaining about being ridiculed (... LOL)!

The other great irony is that most of those "proud & independent states" like WY and AK, are "moocher states" that receive way more in federal benefits than they pay in, and also have the highest percentage of non-taxpayers in the country!

So maybe if more of the rural types started paying their own way, they might lose some of that colossal chip on the shoulder against urban folks, who BTW are basically the ones supporting their "proud & independent lifestyle".
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:24 AM
 
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On the small scale, what directly effects me and my family, I do "hate" the city/suburban people who come to my area and use it like their own private landfill. Throwing their trash as they go. I also "hate" the ones who think that any ground not within sight of a house is open, un-owned land. Those idjits will leave gates open, let their dogs chase cows and calves, camp at the water thereby blocking access for domestic animals and wildlife. One group of about three families said in surprise "We didn't know anyone owned these cattle!" Frickin' duh! What does that matter anyway? They are living things not little toys out here for your entertainment.

I "hate" the ones who mock the people here. Like the three guys in their 40s who were at a pub with a soft porn calendar of "outdoor women." They were hooting and wondering if that was the graduating class from our little school. I told them that the girls in their town may act that way, but ours don't. One guy said, "Hey! I have a daughter in high school and I don't appreciate your crack (remark?)." I responded, "None of my three daughters and none of their friends would participate in something like that calendar either."

I "hate" the ones who made fun of a gentleman here who has cerebal palsy, calling him the "village idiot" not caring that he could hear, that his friends and neighbors could hear, and that he is a valued and contributing member of our town. Maybe that can't happen in a city? I "hate" that.

On a larger scale, I "hate" the how voting trends go - people who know nothing about agrarian life vote restrictions on those of us who do. I "hate" how many urban voters seem to think we are all exceedingly wealthy and can financially support some benefit to them, or we are exceedingly stupid and need their input and care.

I know not all urban/suburban people are like those in the few examples I posted, but enough seem to be that I am leery of all.
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:29 AM
 
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And BTW, note that you're being ridiculed by someone complaining about being ridiculed (... LOL)!

The other great irony is that most of those "proud & independent states" like WY and AK, are "moocher states" that receive way more in federal benefits than they pay in, and also have the highest percentage of non-taxpayers in the country!

So maybe if more of the rural types started paying their own way, they might lose some of that colossal chip on the shoulder against urban folks, who BTW are basically the ones supporting their "proud & independent lifestyle".

Cite references to support your statement, please.
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Middle America
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Smallmindedness and generalizations about people who dwell in a given area will make anyone to whom said generalizations don't apply defensive.

I grew up very rurally, and have since lived in one of the largest metros in the country, small towns, a midsize city, the suburbs. I've done the entire range, and have loved all and see the value in all. People who make gross generalizations based on such things show the limits of their intellect.
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:45 AM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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Cite references to support your statement, please.
Um, that's why they're called "links" (you know, the blue underlined parts you hafta click on...)?!
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Middle America
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On the small scale, what directly effects me and my family, I do "hate" the city/suburban people who come to my area and use it like their own private landfill. Throwing their trash as they go.
Me, too...but rural dwellers dump trash, too. And burn waste that shouldn't be burned, and demolish outbuildings buildings and bury them, and create their own personal landfills and figure they have the right to do so because they live there, and allow pesticide runoff into water supplies. The beer bottles and cans and crap that litter the country roads where I grew up don't come from people driving out 100 miles from the Chicago suburbs...they come from local kids with no respect for the land.

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I also "hate" the ones who think that any ground not within sight of a house is open, un-owned land. Those idjits will leave gates open, let their dogs chase cows and calves, camp at the water thereby blocking access for domestic animals and wildlife. One group of about three families said in surprise "We didn't know anyone owned these cattle!" Frickin' duh! What does that matter anyway? They are living things not little toys out here for your entertainment.
Never experienced anyone messing with our livestock, so I can't speak to that. My fellow rurally dwelling neighbor DID keep his electrified fence in disrepair, though, and his cows often got out and trampled our garden. Guess you don't have to be "citified" to be an idjit.

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I "hate" the ones who mock the people here. Like the three guys in their 40s who were at a pub with a soft porn calendar of "outdoor women." They were hooting and wondering if that was the graduating class from our little school. I told them that the girls in their town may act that way, but ours don't. One guy said, "Hey! I have a daughter in high school and I don't appreciate your crack (remark?)." I responded, "None of my three daughters and none of their friends would participate in something like that calendar either."
As a woman who grew up rurally, came back as an adult and worked in print journalism in a small town area, and was responsible for doing farm report publications, thereby having lots of access to the local "manly man" population, I have heard NO SHORTAGE of rude, objectifying comments from the local good ol' boys in the local tavern or feed shop as relate to women, local and otherwise. Rudeness isn't something that only comes from outsiders.

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I "hate" the ones who made fun of a gentleman here who has cerebal palsy, calling him the "village idiot" not caring that he could hear, that his friends and neighbors could hear, and that he is a valued and contributing member of our town. Maybe that can't happen in a city? I "hate" that.
Me, too. But again, there is NO shortage of people in any community who will pick on the disabled. I work with disabled kids now, and cruelty is everywhere. I know that some the kids in my small town elementary school DEFINITELY were cruel to our disabled classmates. Just like anywhere. This isn't a city thing.

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On a larger scale, I "hate" the how voting trends go - people who know nothing about agrarian life vote restrictions on those of us who do. I "hate" how many urban voters seem to think we are all exceedingly wealthy and can financially support some benefit to them, or we are exceedingly stupid and need their input and care.
There are voting trends I hate that are rampant in rural areas, as well...it cuts both ways.

Really, disrespect and people behaving ridiculously isn't combined to communities of any particular size. It's pretty widespread.
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Old 02-05-2013, 08:06 AM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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BTW, speaking of trash.... whenever driving Highway 80 across southern WY, what's up with all those miles and miles of rundown mobiles littering the acreage all along both sides of the interstate, usually with dozens of trashy old shacks, dilapidated cars and wrecked trucks rusting all over the place? Or were all those left there by "city folks"?
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Western Nebraskansas
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Cite references to support your statement, please.
Unfortunately, this is WELL known information. Generally speaking, the blue states tend to be the wealthiest, and also receive the fewest government supports. The red states, OTOH, get the most.
Yep, hypocritical but true.

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Really, disrespect and people behaving ridiculously isn't combined to communities of any particular size. It's pretty widespread.
This has been my observation, too. Actually, I'd have to agree with your entire post, TR. And the biggest "city" I've lived in was 5600, 15 years ago. lol I've lived on ranches in the boonies ever since. Including get-mail-delivery-every-other-day type boonies, because people are too far apart for daily delivery.

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But nothing could make me move back to the Colorado today. Why? Because I hate the oh-so-sophisticated easterners, west coasters, and some evolved westerners (so-called) who now constitute a majority in the state and who destroyed my home.
*chuckle*
you've obviously never lived in eastern Colorado. Find Fort Morgan on a map. Then sweep east with your arm. Anything under that sweep has relatively little influence from the Front Range.
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