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Old 01-26-2009, 10:17 AM
 
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We once had neighbors who showed me the law that said filing and paying income taxes was optional.

I said--"once"--cuz unfortunately ( for them) the courts didn't agree and he had his farm auctioned off on the court house steps by the sheriff and the IRS.
It is optional, you just have to do it the smart way.
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Old 01-26-2009, 10:52 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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If you check the law on the books, "Zoning" is limited in application to property held with qualified ownership. Property held with absolute ownership is not subject to zoning or any other imposition.

Check your friendly county courthouse law library for pertinent statutes.
Yes, allodial title versus fee simple. Allodial title is absolute ownership, fee simple is based on feudalism. Unfortunately, because government prefers feudalism over freedom for us, allodial title is nearly impossible in most of this country despite the fact it was originally possible in most of the country in the early years. In certain parts of Texas you may buy allodial title from the state on land you buy (expensive though), and until relatively recently the same was true of Nevada but not any longer. The next closest thing is unorganized areas of Alaska where there's no taxes/zoning/etc., but it's still not truly allodial title (but better than most of the country's property owners, or I should say renters, have it).
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Old 01-26-2009, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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We once had neighbors who showed me the law that said filing and paying income taxes was optional.

I said--"once"--cuz unfortunately ( for them) the courts didn't agree and he had his farm auctioned off on the court house steps by the sheriff and the IRS.
It is voluntary- but most are unaware how they volunteered.

Anecdote flag on

All the people I personally know who were hassled by the Eye Are Us had two things in common: [] Active SocSec Account / number, and [] Open, interest bearing bank account.

All the people I personally know, myself included, who were not hassled, had two things in common: [] NO SocSec Account / number, and [] NO open, interest bearing bank account.

Flag off.

If you read your signature card, you'll find that you AGREED to abide by the rules of THE BANK. And all banks in the Federal Reserve system are governed by the U.S. governor of the "Bank" and "Fund". And though it's not in the U.S. Code, it is in the U.S. government manual that the Secretary of Treasury IS the U.S. Governor of the "Bank" and "Fund", and his rules, promulgated in Title 26, are binding on you.

Coincidentally, no instrumentality of the Federal Reserve will open an interest bearing personal bank account for any American who does not have a SSN/ TIN.
(Bless their hearts)

Ergo, only those who have "volunteered" into national socialism and engage in usury are "persons liable".

Frankly, you can't file any form with the IRS without your SSN/TIN. Ergo, if you don't have "the number" you can't be charged with "willful failure to file". And if you do not file, how would they know you are a "taxpayer" self assessing yourself for the "contribution" you owe under FICA / Income tax?

And if you have a non-interest bearing commercial bank account, there is no interest to report, is there?

He who consents cannot complain.
Ignorance is not bliss.
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Old 01-26-2009, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Yes, allodial title versus fee simple. Allodial title is absolute ownership, fee simple is based on feudalism. Unfortunately, because government prefers feudalism over freedom for us, allodial title is nearly impossible in most of this country despite the fact it was originally possible in most of the country in the early years. In certain parts of Texas you may buy allodial title from the state on land you buy (expensive though), and until relatively recently the same was true of Nevada but not any longer. The next closest thing is unorganized areas of Alaska where there's no taxes/zoning/etc., but it's still not truly allodial title (but better than most of the country's property owners, or I should say renters, have it).
Do not be misled by "allodial title". The proper terminology is "private property".

"PRIVATE PROPERTY - As protected from being taken for public uses, is such property as belongs absolutely to an individual, and of which he has the exclusive right of disposition. Property of a specific, fixed and tangible nature, capable of being in possession and transmitted to another, such as houses, lands, and chattels."
- - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1217

"OWNERSHIP - ... Ownership of property is either absolute or qualified. The ownership of property is absolute when a single person has the absolute dominion over it... The ownership is qualified when it is shared with one or more persons, when the time of enjoyment is deferred or limited, or when the use is restricted. "
- - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p. 1106

"ESTATE - The degree, quantity, nature and extent of interest which a person has in real and personal property. An estate in lands, tenements, and hereditaments signifies such interest as the tenant has therein." - - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.547

INTEREST - ...More particularly it means a right to have the advantage of
accruing from anything ; any right in the nature of property, but less than
title
. - - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p. 812

LAND. ... The land is one thing, and the ESTATE in land is another
thing, for an ESTATE in land is a time in land or land for a time.
- - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.877

Who told you to register your house and land as REAL ESTATE, held with qualified ownership?
Who wrote up your legal title deed, with the phrase "for one dollar in hand..."?
Why did they bar you from your right to the rules of the common law, pursuant to the 7th amendment?

Now, pay CLOSE ATTENTION.
"... nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just
compensation." Fifth Amendment, USCON.

To whom does the limitation of the fifth amendment apply?
Federal government.

WHERE can private property exist under the exclusive jurisdiction of
the Federal government in these united States?

City of Washington, District of Columbia and other lands ceded, by
consent of the States!

Does the fifth amendment apply to the State governments?
(!)

Check your own state's constitution.

I suspect that you will only find that estate (real and personal
property) is identified as property subject to the authority of the
State government. PRIVATE PROPERTY is not identified as being subject
to or object of the delegated powers of the State.

What does this all mean?

Re-read the definition of private property, and you'll note that there
is no mention that private property is to be compensated if taken for
public use. In fact, it only says that it is PROTECTED from being
taken for public use. PERIOD.

Private property, within the federal jurisdiction MAY be taken, but
the owner must be compensated. Private property, within the states,
may not be taken. Period.

"Eminent Domain" does not apply to private property - only estate.
They may try to fool you by claiming "private owners" are liable to condemnation under eminent domain, but that's not the same as taking private property for public use.

Government instituted to secure private property rights (i.e., protect them)
cannot destroy them, and still remain within the limits of the constitutional grant of power.

According to documents in the public record, all liens, taxes, restrictions, zoning, regulation, and the like are only applicable to real estate, not private property, which is absolutely owned by individuals.

If you are a subject / socialist / slave, you are out of luck.

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Old 01-27-2009, 07:30 AM
 
Location: NE Nebraska
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It doesn't matter what the constitution or laws on the books say, it is how they are interpreted by the courts. Show me where there is a law or an article in a state or the federal constitution that permits marriage between members of the same sex. Same for abortion and the right to privacy, there is nothing in the constitution to permit or qualify these rights.

Getting back to topic, several supreme court cases in addition to state enabling legislation have established zoning as a legal application of the power of government in order to protect the health, safety and welfare of the citizens. Governing the color of someone's house does not in my opinion protect the health, safety and welfare of the neighbors, but maybe their eyes. Therefore this shouldn't be legal under the preface of zoning. However, protecting a homeowner from having a gas station opening up in the vacant lot next store can protect the health, safety and welfare of the neighbor.
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Old 01-27-2009, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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It doesn't matter what the constitution or laws on the books say, it is how they are interpreted by the courts. Show me where there is a law or an article in a state or the federal constitution that permits marriage between members of the same sex. Same for abortion and the right to privacy, there is nothing in the constitution to permit or qualify these rights.

Getting back to topic, several supreme court cases in addition to state enabling legislation have established zoning as a legal application of the power of government in order to protect the health, safety and welfare of the citizens. Governing the color of someone's house does not in my opinion protect the health, safety and welfare of the neighbors, but maybe their eyes. Therefore this shouldn't be legal under the preface of zoning. However, protecting a homeowner from having a gas station opening up in the vacant lot next store can protect the health, safety and welfare of the neighbor.
The Constitution always matters. And so do the escape clauses.
See Article IV of the Articles of Confederation regarding excepted classes.
What most people do not know, is that the Supreme Court "cherry picks" cases so that they can take a stand that satisfies "their masters", while not violating the letter of the Constitution.
A good example is the 1916 landmark case "Brushaber v. Union Pacific RR", that was used to "Bless" income tax. Brushaber argued that the UPRR was a state corporation and not subject to federal taxation, and neither was he. Brushaber didn't do his homework, and failed to realize that UPRR was one of the RR originally chartered by Lincoln and CONGRESS for the transcontinental RR, and as a federal corporation, was subject to a federal income tax.


Re: Zoning. The laws only apply to property held with qualified ownership, not absolute ownership.

Re: Same Sex marriage. That absurdity is driven by greed, not a desire for 'rights'.
http://www.city-data.com/forum/6152643-post48.html
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Old 04-01-2012, 02:55 PM
 
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Smile Where did u buy this land in AK ?

Looking for similar land. cheap and low property taxes. suitable for RV living...no zoning. Thanx. Like N/NW Washington State, Alaska, or Oregon. Want Mtns and trees and water...

thanx for any advise /info.


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Zoning is an abomination. I bought land with no zoning, building codes, permits, etc, and I intend to stay that way (woe to anyone who tries to bring that control freak garbage to me, they will find me to be one miserable neighbor).
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Old 04-01-2012, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Looking for similar land. cheap and low property taxes. suitable for RV living...no zoning. Thanx. Like N/NW Washington State, Alaska, or Oregon. Want Mtns and trees and water...

thanx for any advise /info.
That is the best kind of land to get.

Cheap,
low property taxes,
suitable for RVs and camps,
no zoning

I would not want to live anywhere else.
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