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Old 02-03-2009, 09:35 AM
 
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McMansions= not a wise use of natural resources.
I have a feeling consumers will start to demand smaller houses that are more efficient.
I would much rather have a custom built 1500sq ft house instead of a cheaply built 3000sq ft cookie cutter McMansion.
Me and you both!
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Old 02-03-2009, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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I bought our annual livestock feed from 3 different farmers, each during the week of their harvest.

Two are fairly small farms [ +/- 100 acres], old combines from the 1940s or 1950s, held together with baling wire and duct tape. Their equipment was bought many decades ago, still working but rusty. Those farms only net a couple hundred dollars each year from each acre of farm land, barely enough to cover taxes. The farmers survive on SS.

The third farm is a massive spread, a fleet of new tractors, combines and equipment. Every piece of equipment there is $150k to $300k. Their gross from grain sales is the same per acre, but they try to make up for it by farming thousands of acres.

When an old farmer dies, his heirs are faced with what to do with the old farm. Rusting equipment and a business model that can not support itself. Rarely are the heirs really focused on farming. Hold an auction, and sell the land to a developer. Turn it all into cash and run to the nearest city. Becomes a common theme.

Land near a sprawling metro area holds a high value for development.

Keeping it in Ag use does not make sense in that circumstance.



I hate McMansions. I hate developments.

I retired and moved rural to get away from that junk. But I still can see the financial reality of what goes on.
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Old 02-03-2009, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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Another preventive measure would be to sneak out at night and move all the survey stakes before construction starts,
over and over and over again while wearing a mask, tights and a cape !
Pink SATIN tights no less

I personally have never understood the McMansion thing...high taxes,higher maint. etc etc.....Just add a bleach blond with fake boobs and a Harley in the driveway and it becomes the ultimate airhead show off trophy I guess.
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Old 02-03-2009, 11:26 AM
 
Location: CasaMo
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Land near a sprawling metro area holds a high value for development.

Keeping it in Ag use does not make sense in that circumstance.



I hate McMansions. I hate developments.

I retired and moved rural to get away from that junk. But I still can see the financial reality of what goes on.
forest beekeeper has it right.

That's what I had tried to point out earlier in the thread. When land gets valuable, some land uses aren't feasible. That was one of the reasons so many movie Drive-Ins don't exist anymore. Real estate value plays a big role.

If that happens, large homes are definately not the worst case scenario when you consider the possibilities.
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Old 02-03-2009, 11:34 AM
 
Location: 38°14′45″N 122°37′53″W
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forest beekeeper has it right.

That's what I had tried to point out earlier in the thread. When land gets valuable, some land uses aren't feasible. That was one of the reasons so many movie Drive-Ins don't exist anymore. Real estate value plays a big role.

If that happens, large homes are definately not the worst case scenario when you consider the possibilities.
True. But if more small towns enacted and Urban Growth Boundary plan then they would be able to avoid this very problem.
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Old 02-03-2009, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Niceville, FL
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I'm in an area where there is effectively a hard growth boundary (gub'mint owns 95% of the land between the interstate and the Gulf of Mexico) and there are good thing and bad things about it. Good in the sense that you get more brownfield redevelopment- since there's not much commercial land avaliable in the area, it tends to get reused- if one business outgrows a space and needs something bigger or if it fails, then there's usually another business perfectly wlling to take over the space.

Bad- higher housing costs than neighboring areas, pressure to redevelop residential land at higher density, which puts more cars onto the city roads than what they were designed for, (and it's not easy to four lane a two lane road in the middle of town) a tendency to just push the sprawl to the other side of the 30-40 mile exclusion area and stick lots of people with really long commutes.
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Old 02-03-2009, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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True. But if more small towns enacted and Urban Growth Boundary plan then they would be able to avoid this very problem.
<sarcasm alert>

Yeah we NEED more gubbermint control.

We NEED a nanny gubbermint.

</sarcasm>
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Old 02-03-2009, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Eastern Washington
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I would much rather have a power plant than MacMansions - preferably a nuke, they tend to keep the riff-raff out of the neighborhood.
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Old 02-03-2009, 02:33 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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I would much rather have a power plant than MacMansions - preferably a nuke, they tend to keep the riff-raff out of the neighborhood.

So would I, I was a boilermaker and made lots of dough building and maintaining powerhouses, both coal and nuke. I like coal better though, more work.
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Old 02-03-2009, 03:49 PM
 
Location: 38°14′45″N 122°37′53″W
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<sarcasm alert>

Yeah we NEED more gubbermint control.

We NEED a nanny gubbermint.

</sarcasm>
yeah the sarcasm not was truly necessary since you're already spelling in such a contrived pretend uneducated way....

Urban Growth Boundaries have been enacted by public outcry onto the local government itself...not the other way around...you know, democracy...

perhaps, you should try researching the subject...or is it just more fun for you to do these drive-by postings?

Please feel free to debate a bit.
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