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Old 02-16-2009, 10:30 AM
 
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Just wondering if the OP is walking swinging her hands. That could look aggressive to dogs.
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Old 02-16-2009, 10:35 AM
 
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You may have noted that I did, in the post you quoted, recommend pepper spray or something similar. One doesn't have to be blaming the victim to try to help them figure out what about their behavior or the neighborhood (you did note that I put that in in another post as a possible cause unless this happens to the OP everywhere they go, didn't you?) might be causing dogs to want to attack or to bark at them more than the next person. It would be less than helpful to pretend that that particular aspect doesn't exist - most dogs don't react to everyone the same way, after all. If there's something simple that the OP could do (wear a different perfume, project an "alpha dog" persona, whatever) that would eliminate the problem everywhere, not just on this particular route and not just with dogs with owners but with strays, wouldn't it be helpful to know that?

Oh, and I'm not a "militant dog owner", though you choosing to phrase it that way is extremely enlightening about your own attitude. Just someone who has dogs, who pays attention to dog behavior, and who wants to help with the problem using that knowledge.
Oh, "militant dog owner" is pretty apropos in a lot of these situations. My five-year-old son was attacked by a dog in our own front yard, and would have been mauled had I not clobbered the animal with a shovel. Are you insisting that five-year-olds stay inside their own houses, too?

The owner was angry when I hit his dog, and enraged when I insisted that the animal be destroyed. As it turns out, other neighbors came forward with stories of the dog's aggressive behavior, including killing cats and cornering people on their own porches. Yet, according to this guy, it was always the other person's fault, blah blah blah blah.

But that's really not the point. A person can be riding a unicycle down the street and juggling pins, but still doesn't deserve to be charged by dogs. You're basically telling the OP to change her behavior , which means that she's the one who is causing the situation. However, it is the dog owners who are at fault in this situation, not the person walking down the street and minding her own business. And the perfume and clothing she wears shouldn't have a cotton-picking thing to do with it.
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Old 02-16-2009, 10:40 AM
 
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In general, it's normal for dogs to bark when people walk by their yards. .
Not where I live it isn't. Most dogs just hang out and watch you run or walk by. Excessively-yapping dogs in THIS neighborhood will earn you a ticket.
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Old 02-16-2009, 10:44 AM
 
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Actually, you are blaming the victim here, albeit in a passive aggressive way. Look, a person has an absolute right to walk down the street and not be charged by aggressive dogs.
Absolutely. I agree completely. The example of a large dog coming out of its yard and barking "ferociously" and blocking the path of someone is definitely an issue I would take up with the dog owner.

In that case, I would say to the owner of the dog, "If your dog does this to me again, I will spray him. Please keep him out of my way." If it happened again, I would spray the dog and then I would contact animal control. Something like that is completely unacceptable.

However - most of the OP's posts appear to me to be about dogs who ARE staying on their own property and just barking normally at passersby. The OP seems to have a low tolerance for barking in general and what she thinks is "vicious" barking is probably just a normal "announcement" from the dogs. A dog jumping up to make the announcement that someone is walking by is not the same thing as a dog viciously and ferociously charging or attacking. The OP is having trouble distinguishing these things. (And understandably, since a non-dog-owner may not have the experience to tell the difference.)

The advice for dealing with normal dogs doing normal things is different, as the dogs/owners are behaving within acceptable limits and it's more an issue of her fear.

So it's important to make the distinction here with regard to the advice given.
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Old 02-16-2009, 10:48 AM
 
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I'm absolutely dumbfounded by some of the responses here. Why is it MY responsibility to calm the dogs? Shouldn't the owners take responsibility for not allowing their dogs to terrorize innocent passers by?
It's hard to tell not being in the actual situation. I think most people are assuming that it must be your unreasonable fear of dogs that is the problem. Normal barking from a dog is not something that "terrorizes" the average person walking around the neighborhood.

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My last straw before I quit walking around my neighborhood was when a large dog (don't know the breed) ran out into the street and barked ferociously at me. That time, I didn't run (I was frozen in fear). When I finally turned around and tried to walk away slowly, the dog ran in front of me and blocked me. He (or she?) never actually bit me or attacked, but I was being blocked from moving. The owner came out and called it, but again, no apology to me.
For THAT particular instance, I would have gone to the door and spoke to the owner, for certain. NO one should allow their dog to run free into the street. Ever.
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Old 02-16-2009, 10:49 AM
 
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You may have noted that I did, in the post you quoted, recommend pepper spray or something similar. One doesn't have to be blaming the victim to try to help them figure out what about their behavior or the neighborhood (you did note that I put that in in another post as a possible cause unless this happens to the OP everywhere they go, didn't you?) might be causing dogs to want to attack or to bark at them more than the next person. It would be less than helpful to pretend that that particular aspect doesn't exist - most dogs don't react to everyone the same way, after all. If there's something simple that the OP could do (wear a different perfume, project an "alpha dog" persona, whatever) that would eliminate the problem everywhere, not just on this particular route and not just with dogs with owners but with strays, wouldn't it be helpful to know that?

Oh, and I'm not a "militant dog owner", though you choosing to phrase it that way is extremely enlightening about your own attitude. Just someone who has dogs, who pays attention to dog behavior, and who wants to help with the problem using that knowledge.
The dogs don't bark at me more than anybody else. I'm not doing anything to provoke them. I was, however, one of the last holdouts with regard to walking around the neighborhood. Not very many people do anymore. BECAUSE OF THE DOGS.

Look, these are normal dogs. They're being territorial and protective...which is what normal dogs do. HOWEVER, dog owners need to take responsibilty for this problem and make sure their dogs aren't terrorizing passers by.

If there is no fence, then they should restrain their dogs when they put them in the front yard. Tie them up. That's all I'm asking. The dogs can bark at me all they want....I just want to feel confident that they are not going to attack me (because some dogs DO attack...or they at least corner people and terrorize them). And how is an innocent passerby to know which dogs are just going to bark, and which dogs are going to come charging at them?

The bottom line is that the responsibility rests on the owner of the dog to make sure their dog is adequately restrained and behaves in a socially acceptable way. People have a right to walk down the street in relative peace.
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Old 02-16-2009, 10:53 AM
 
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Oh, "militant dog owner" is pretty apropos in a lot of these situations. My five-year-old son was attacked by a dog in our own front yard, and would have been mauled had I not clobbered the animal with a shovel. Are you insisting that five-year-olds stay inside their own houses, too?.
Again we need to make a reasonable distinction here between truly aggressive dogs and normal dogs.

In your case, you had every right to do what you did including insisting that the dog be removed from the neighborhood. I like dogs, but I would have done the same thing.

NO DOG should be allowed outside the direct control of its owner - PERIOD.

But a dog who stays in its own yard and barks a few times when someone walks by is a normal dog.
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Old 02-16-2009, 11:00 AM
 
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If there is no fence, then they should restrain their dogs when they put them in the front yard. Tie them up. That's all I'm asking.
If my dog is trained to not leave the yard, I'm not going to tie him up. Nor will I apologize if he barks a few times when you walk by.

Some people have electric fences so that they don't have to tie up their dogs. Granted, you can't see them, so you still don't know which dogs might actually attack, but in general, if there is a dog you truly feel is a threat, speak to its owner.

If the owner explains that the dog is trained to not leave the yard or is confined with an electric fence, then you should be able to walk by without worry.

If any dog actually leaves its yard and truly threatens you, my advice is a few posts up.
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Old 02-16-2009, 11:07 AM
 
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Again we need to make a reasonable distinction here between truly aggressive dogs and normal dogs.

In your case, you had every right to do what you did including insisting that the dog be removed from the neighborhood. I like dogs, but I would have done the same thing.

NO DOG should be allowed outside the direct control of its owner - PERIOD.

But a dog who stays in its own yard and barks a few times when someone walks by is a normal dog.
Yes, I would agree with that completely. Unfortunately, there are those who are willfully blind to the fact that letting one's dogs loose to roam at will can create a safety hazard to others.
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Old 02-16-2009, 11:14 AM
 
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Yes, I would agree with that completely. Unfortunately, there are those who are willfully blind to the fact that letting one's dogs loose to roam at will can create a safety hazard to others.
That's true. And I won't defend those people, nor make excuses for those dogs. But the OP seems to have a very low tolerance for dogs in general, so it's important to distinguish the advice between truly vicious dogs and normal dogs.
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