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Old 11-04-2010, 01:50 PM
 
Location: cemetary
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Once they discover that the State of Colorado claims ownership of ALL water, including rainwater (it is illegal in CO to have rain barrels) they might rethink their plan.
Sorry that's lie #1. The state has water rights and does not own the rainwater.

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I was told last year that folks 'round here annually buy their fall freezer chickens from "the Amish farm"; whole cases of them. I haven't found out where it is yet, but apparently they have been here for years and do very well.
Amish chickens, much like those raised and sold by the Hutterite, are ground scratchers - not penned. They are larger than store bought, taste better and command higher prices. The turkeys are the BEST

Lie #2 - Pennsylvania food registration is the toughest in the 50 states. Amish products like milk and cheese have that certification - it's guaranteed the best! Amish farms receive a dispensation from the Bishop to provide pasteurization for the milk. It's heated and rapidly cooled before the truck arrives to pick it up. So, only dairies have the electric lines in.

Observation 1 - puppy mills - there are dozens in every major city that aren't owned/operated by Amish or Mennonites. Go pick on them. What the Amish do with their animals is what we should all do - use them as the good Lord intended - as farm animals - plowing fields and herding sheep. We do not make them our friends.

Observation 2 - Dairy farms have a problem with offal and sewage - what to do with it. Unlike homes, they can't exactly put it into a treatment facility or septic tank, therefore you'll see this at ALL dairy farms - a huge lagoon of waste, sometimes covered with 6mm plastic sheeting and auto tires on top to keep it from blowing off or allowing insects inside. In Fla, the dairy farms at the top end of Lake Okeechobee have been polluting the lake for decades. The bentonite prepared lagoons are the only way of reducing the smell and subsequent overflow into the groundwater, thus keeping the public from dysentary and other diseases. The states enforce the environmental controls, so if you see a leaking lagoon, it is your duty to report it to the proper officials. Failing that, tell the property owner whether you know them or not. Fines are staggering and yes, even the Amish pay those fines.

I grew up with Amish, Mennonite and Hutterite farm kids so what I'm telling you is the truth. My wife was Amish before we were married. I keep the traditions alive for my grand-children, tho I am not one.
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Old 11-04-2010, 01:54 PM
 
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There's little or no cheap land in Colorado where I've spent the last twenty years as a wildlife biologist/land manager. If it's cheaper than $500/ac - there's something wrong with it. Alkali is a major problem and anywhere they are drilling and fracking the sub-strata for oil and natural gas - you're going to find poison water.
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Old 11-04-2010, 02:49 PM
 
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Observation 1 - puppy mills - there are dozens in every major city that aren't owned/operated by Amish or Mennonites. Go pick on them. What the Amish do with their animals is what we should all do - use them as the good Lord intended - as farm animals - plowing fields and herding sheep. We do not make them our friends.

Do you know what a Puppy Mill is?
Like it or not, the Amish have been identified with some of the most horrid puppy mills in the US. We are not talking raising farm animals or having some dogs that breed; we are talking the wholesale inhumane commerical breeding of dogs for sale to pet shops and laboratories. That's a Puppy Mill, a factory manufacturing line producing puppies.
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Old 11-04-2010, 04:40 PM
 
Location: North Western NJ
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pacific im with you, ive seen the inside of many puppymills (amish and not) and most pet store puppies come from amish "breeding facilities"
nothing but mass produced messes.

if you were ever inside a puppymill, youd NEVER support ANYONE running one...unless of course you have no heart what-so-ever.

the smell, sight and sounds of those dog hells never wash away, never leave your mind...i still hear thier cries in my nightmares
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Old 11-04-2010, 06:09 PM
 
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Do you know what a Puppy Mill is?
Like it or not, the Amish have been identified with some of the most horrid puppy mills in the US. We are not talking raising farm animals or having some dogs that breed; we are talking the wholesale inhumane commerical breeding of dogs for sale to pet shops and laboratories. That's a Puppy Mill, a factory manufacturing line producing puppies.
Yes, I do, there are several in my area - none owned by the aforementioned entities. Unfortunately there's no law against it, so they flourish. As long a dummies keep buying there will always be a market. Laboratories are funded by you and me - grant money from the Fed Govt.
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Old 11-05-2010, 05:24 PM
 
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I seem to always be defending the Amish. So here we go again. I have Amish relatives who love their animals, take wonderful care of them and consider puppy mills an abomination and an embarassment to the community. Let's not throw everyone into the same horrible stew because of a few bad apples.

(My family also keeps many of the traditions alive and I was raised on those traditions 2,000 miles from the nearest Amish farm.)

That said. Some ARE extremely shrewd businessmen. I have a particular uncle in mind.
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Old 11-10-2010, 10:32 AM
 
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I'm not sure how long they have been here, but there are lots of Amish in the San Luis Valley (southern CO) containing some of the poorest land and people in the state. You can find 5 acres for $5k no sweat.
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Old 11-11-2010, 08:11 PM
 
Location: in the ground
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I'm not sure how long they have been here, but there are lots of Amish in the San Luis Valley (southern CO) containing some of the poorest land and people in the state. You can find 5 acres for $5k no sweat.
$1k per acre for land worth $50 - sounds like a deal to me
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Old 11-13-2010, 09:43 AM
 
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Not sure what you're trying to say here, but I agree with you--this place sucks ass.
Without water or access to it - $50/ac is an appropriate price
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Old 11-13-2010, 08:21 PM
 
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Without water or access to it - $50/ac is an appropriate price
We have a huge underground aquifer, as, based on your assertiveness, you should have already known. There are generations of families here. There are huge FARMS here, and we're widely known for our potatoes and other crops. There have been battles for years over larger cities wanting to take OUR water because we have such a great resource. Until the salmonella outbreak of '08, after over a hundred years otherwise, we didn't even have to purify our water in the city of Alamosa.
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