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Old 11-21-2009, 01:17 AM
Location: Bucksport, ME
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OK..so, I've seen a post on here about cattle doing damage to property. I have a similar tale, with a small exception.
We have 1.09 acres, and have lived here for 5 years, come this Dec. Our bad neighbor, MOD EDIT: Name has about 4.5 acres (according to his title which I found in public records) and owns a small herd of cattle ranging from Highlander cattle (look like shaggy long horns), some that have white bands around the middle, and a couple horses. Now, I have no problem with the horses, as they don't escape...but the cattle are regulars. I have a small flock of chickens, which I used to allow to free range on our property, but because some of them wandered too far, I had to clip their wings and make a 50' square area for them to range in..which they did fly over the poultry fencing until I clipped them.
Now, I know it sounds petty, but his cattle have done at least a thousand dollars worth of damage to my property, and last year when his cattle escaped at ravaged my small vegetable garden and I approached him about it, he claimed that it was near the end of the season anyway and he should charge me for the free fertilizer! When he first moved in here, I saw him checking around the property and went out to introduce myself. He was looking at the property lines, and I went and got my deed and showed him where the pins were on the two sides that border him. Well, later that day, my wife caught him pulling up the pin (unfortunately not an official surveyor pin, but a thick iron pole sticking out of the ground, listed on the deed, though). She went out and confronted him telling him that he better put it back and not touch it again or he'd answer to the State...and he didn't try to move it again. He was trying to "take over" a hand dug well we have in the back corner...by moving the pin 3 feet! Did he think we wouldn't notice?! Then, when he removed old, decaying barbed-wire fencing for his electric fence, he put the fence right ON the property line (I thought there was supposed to be at least a foot clearance) and then, the trees that had branches that would cross his fence line, he cut not to the line...but two feet back onto our property at the trunk!! Later, when we had a good amount of rain, he accused our meager sump pump discharge pipe of "flooding" his property....but he lives in between us and the lake, so the land slopes down toward his property and then the lake. Still, he told me to fix it or he would. I didn't do anything, because I wasn't at fault (seriously, my sump runs seldom, except after a heavy downpour or long, steady rain)...so he took a bulldozer he had rented for other work, and cut a path right along the fenceline, making a 2 foot high "berm" of dirt! HA, HA...my land actually got drier, and his was still wet, and the dent he dug out fills up with water!
However, his cattle are regularly getting out. They've been talked about in the town newspaper a few times, especially after my wife had to call the cops to take care of a bull who decided that the Jeep Cherokee in our driveway made a good scratching post! Yeah, my wife wakes up because a car horn is beeping repeatedly..(it was someone out in the road)...and looks out the window to see her Jeep rocking back and forth!! Fortunately, there was no real damage done to the jeep (AMAZING) as it is a fixer-upper with a few scratches on it....but STILL?!!
I think there was a time where a dump truck almost hit one of the cows as it was walking across the road.
So, we've contacted the local PD, and the Dept. of Agriculture...but no one really does anything. He refuses to put up a better fence, and byt the way...I know from personal experience of seeing a cow brush up against the fence and going out myself and "testing it"....that it's not on all the time.
At least his dogs don't come over here anymore after I threatened to shoot one after two came on my property and attaked my dog (who I'd let out to use the bathroom....she's an indoor dog)...found out after the police call that they weren't registered with the town and didn't know if shots were up to date. The last time one dog (rotweiler) came onto my yard, it was trying to tear through my poultry fencing to get to my chickens (thank goodness it was wire)....I shot towards the dog with my .22 handgun. He was outside when I fired the shot...and his dogs haven't been running loose since! I missed on purpose....I was in the military.
So, how do I solve the cattle problem?! I figure I'll shoot towards them...but I'd really like to shoot one and fill my freezer! There's an old law in Maine that says something along the lines of if someone's livestock damage another person's property, they can do with what they want to the animal until compensated. Myself and the other two neighbors are sick of it! In fact, one lady who lived across from us (will be missed dearly), sold their house and moved to another town because of this guy!
Oh, and not to mention...found out through public records...that he owes 160,000 + in debt....house is in foreclosure....but it's been nearly six months since that was supposed to conclude!
He's even gone into business hiring himself as a contractor, and a fellow Legionnaire hired him and got a shoddy job of roofing done...when my friend mentioned it to him and that he had to fix it or he'd take him to court, he laughed and said "go ahead...everyone else is"!!
What to do...what to do..... (still liking that freezer full of meat idea).
Of course, I won't do that, as it would be damaging his property...and I think, illegal. Not a good thing to have on record when you're filling out applications for the criminal justice academy!
Thanks for the help,

Last edited by linicx; 11-29-2009 at 01:49 AM..
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Old 11-21-2009, 02:21 AM
Location: Ohio
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Sounds like someone who thinks the planet was made to be his own kingdom to rule. I hate those kind of people.
If the foreclosure thing started 6 months ago he may not be around long. It usualy takes that long or a little longer to finalize unless he makes some kind of deal with the lender. Some folks have done that especialy with variable rate loans. If he is behind on a fixed rate mortgage probably no deals will be made.
Can you get fire crackers in your area? That might scare of the cows.
Take pics of the cows on your property and any damage they cause. Have documentation. Then sue him for the damage.
If that dont work, fill the freezer.
Put him in the bottom and the beef on top.

Just kidding about the "him" part. LOL
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Old 11-21-2009, 05:55 AM
Location: In The Outland
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It sounds as if a bout of fisticuffs is in order. I would get right up in his face and tell him in no uncertain terms that from now on if any of his cattle come onto your property then you will consider them to be your property. And if he wants any back he will have to sue you. (He wont) Then sell the cattle.

Or better yet just beat his butt.
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Old 11-21-2009, 05:58 AM
Location: San Diego
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electric fence or pellet gun. Both work great.
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Old 11-21-2009, 06:27 AM
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Well you can wait it out and hope he will move although that can take awhile.
You should document every thing, every event, in a daily log with pictures and hire a creative attorney who can both try to get his attention with small claim suits etc and put some pressure on the township. If the state or bank does seize his assets you might be able to a cow as compensation then.
Doesn't sound like you'll ever get any money because he probably doesn't have any but you might make him do something about the cows.
In any respect I would keep an eagle eye out. If he's going into foreclosure who knows what he'll do before he leaves. Or what he won't do, like take his animals. Even if you don't like his dogs I don't think you'd want them to starve to death locked in the house if he did a runner.
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Old 11-21-2009, 08:03 AM
Location: Bucksport, ME
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We have documented pics both of his dogs on the property and of his cattle. In fact, that morning that the bull was rocking the jeep, nearly the whole herd got out! My wife took a video of them meandering through our yard and across the road (which is 35 MPH).
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Old 11-21-2009, 08:16 AM
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don't worry be happy, he will be gone soon. some one else want him out more than you, $160,000 is a big incentive.
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Old 11-21-2009, 08:28 AM
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The OP listed the real problem to begin with---------some idiot who only owns a total of--4.5-acres and thinking he is now a cattle farmer.

For gosh sakes !

4.5 acres is enough for a building site,lawn,and a good sized garden.
What the heck was that idiot thinking that 4.5 acres was enough land to keep several different breeds of cattle.

I'll bet the real reason they are always breaking out is cuz they are starving.
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Old 11-21-2009, 08:43 AM
Location: City of Central
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Go to the bank and offer to buy his property . Then throw his butt out .
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Old 11-21-2009, 09:22 AM
Location: Somewhere in northern Alabama
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Good fences make good neighbors. We had cattle (and deer) in our garden the first year. An electric fence stopped that. If you have defined boundaries and a good fence around your property (use a cattle grate gate at the entrance, so you can drive in and out without problems), you can relax a little.

You are stressed out and everything is seeming bigger than it is. The dog issue is resolved, the boundaries have been established, the berm worked to your advantage. Fix the issue with the cattle and get on with life.

FWIW, less that five acres in ME would support one full sized cow. He must be buying hay or feed? Or are those belted cattle one of the smaller breeds?
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