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Old 12-20-2009, 01:14 PM
 
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Do you think it is better to be invisible at night or leave a light on at the property (barn, outbuilding, etc..) so ner-do-wells driving about know there is a homestead there to potentially target?

This question is just about lighting pros & cons. I know about being armed & ready.


I've been working with a driveway vehicle sensor-alarm (Dakotalert) but with only mixed results. It is not as reliable as I had hoped.

So, do you think the single barn light out in the middle of nowhere is more of an attractant to potential thieves than a deterent?
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Old 12-20-2009, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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First thing we did when we moved out to the country was to turn off the danged lights over the barn and the garage!

Yes, I think that "security lighting" at night out in the country is a big sign saying, "Hey! Look over here! Stuff that needs a security light to protect it!"

If you feel the need for security lighting, better one that you can turn off at night or, better yet, a motion-activated one (unless you have dogs that will set it off, of course, in which case, THEY are motion activated to sound the alarm, generally).

Much less light pollution that way, too.
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Old 12-20-2009, 10:38 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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If the ner-do-wells drive by at night they have probably driven by in broad daylight also and know where the rural homes are even if they do sit back away from the road.
Lights, dogs, alarm system, would be better deterents than trying to hide the property at night imo.
And if worse comes to worse, they can meet your relatives. Smith and Wesson or Mr. Stevens or Mr. Winchester.
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Old 12-21-2009, 08:55 AM
 
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Try walking around a strange place at night with no light on then try it with one on
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Old 12-21-2009, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Try walking around a strange place at night with no light on then try it with one on
Exactly. Interestingly, at least one (I think two, but wouldn't swear to it without pulling up the data again) English town turned out most of the street lights for reasons of economics. Folks were worried to death that crime would skyrocket. In fact, what happened was, crime plummeted - guess criminals need to see, too, and if they had to provide their own light, it would be that much harder for them to go unnoticed - someone would be much more likely to notice the light and notice that something unusual was going on.

Now other towns are considering doing the same, for economic AND crime control reasons.
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Old 12-21-2009, 10:55 AM
 
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Thanks, you have confirmed my thoughts on the subject.

And, I do love the complete lack of light pollution and the ability to see a skyfull of stars. Sometimes the moon is so bright that it throws shadows through the trees and is difficult to look at without getting a little night-blindness. Turning on flood lights ruins all of this. Motion detector lights would get turned on too easily by the deer, racoons, coyotes, owls, wind, etc... . I'd be up all night.
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Old 12-21-2009, 11:30 AM
 
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The first thing we did when moving out to our farm was to have the huge area floodlights removed, which also saved $18/month each in electricity fees. They were more of a blinding obstacle to being able to see what we were doing outside than a help.

We've now installed two small fluorescent area lights (18w) that are more site specific to our barns, and are dusk to dawn controlled. They allow us to check on the livestock in the close-by corrals, but don't illuminate the shops, outbuildings, or house. For most of each month's moon cycle, we have enough moonlight to get around the property, but that's because we're familiar with our place. On the very dark nights, a small pocket LED flashlight is more than adequate to get around.

We sure like not having the light pollution, and most of our new neighbors over the past few years have also gotten over their "city" mentality that lights are security. They, too, have discovered that their light pollution is a curable annoyance by simply turning off the switch.

Of course, we have a number of motion/sight/smell-activated alarms around our place who do sound the alarm at the slightest intrusion into their territory, be it four- or two- legged.
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Old 12-21-2009, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Lights are commonly installed places for 'security'.

There is a strong belief that lighting will effect crime.

However in rural areas it is not needed. Most homes around here have no external lighting.
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Old 12-21-2009, 03:59 PM
 
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Agreed that lights are more of a nuisance than a security feature. There are people across the road here that have their place lit up like a small circus, complete with strings of lights, all night street light, etc. What a joke. Think about it: if a criminal is the only one with a flashlight in a dark environment, why, what a target he makes!
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Old 12-21-2009, 04:50 PM
 
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Lights are commonly installed places for 'security'.

There is a strong belief that lighting will effect crime.

However in rural areas it is not needed. Most homes around here have no external lighting.
There are more than a few high-crime rural areas in the US but lights generally light you up better than an intruder.
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