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Old 01-16-2010, 11:46 AM
 
Location: 125 Years Too Late...
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Maybe I worded my post wrong, or maybe I'm just feeling contradictory today. Wrt paintings, it isn't rural scenes that specifically bug me - there is simply a recognizable difference in a painting done by a true artist and a painting done by - me. As an example. I paint. I wouldn't dream of calling it art though or showing it to anyone but it gives me pleasure and lets me let go of my brain for a while.

I also plunk away on the guitar and have a lot of respect for bluegrass music and I just may be the only one of my age any where who knows all the Carter Family songs by heart. And the Carter Family certainly falls into a folk art category.

But then there is music that doesn't, and that's okay too, to just play for pleasure the way I do, but I sure wouldn't want to go to a concert starring me and have no delusions of grandeur in that direction.

But I would say there is still a standard, however difficult it may be to put into words as to what is art, and what is not art. I think that most people would not be so presumptuous as to think they could be a rocket scientist "if" they "wanted" and yet there is an attitude towards art that is illustrated by a story told of the Canadian writer, Margaret Lawrence, who was approached at a cocktail party by a neurosurgeon who told her that when he retired, he was going to become a writer. To which she responded, "When I retire I am going to be a neurosurgeon."

There's a difference between hobbies and art. It isn't just a matter of taste. My husband is a fan of opera - while I do in fact recognize it as art, I don't like it at all. Believe me, I've tried.

However, I was born in a rural area, grew up in a rural area, have lived in cities, and in Europe where culture, even in rural areas, seems much more a part of everyday life than it does here, but nonetheless, it is my choice to live here, crocheted toilet paper covers notwithstanding. If I had no place else to go, I might feel very trapped.
I'm with you on the opera thing! (although, I too, certainly grant that it takes a tremendous amount of talent)

I do agree with your example about the neurosurgeon and writer. I think a big distinctions, though, is that most people enjoy or are entertained by an art of some sort (be it music, literature, visual art, etc). It's something that has a 'shared appeal' to most people. Other fields (such as neurosurgery) is not typically an entertainment and is a shared passion for only a very few. Also, the sciences, and those sorts of technical fields, aren't dependent on taste and perception so much (and again, for most, the 'inspiration' that one might feel at a concert will not be felt when reading a science text).

On the whole I don't disagree with what you are saying; but, maybe I just lean a bit more away from the 'elitist' attitudes that some artists and musicians develop (of course, it's not limited to the arts at all!). I look at the arts as more participatory in general. Certain things appeal to certain individuals. For example, when I hear raw punk rock, absolutely nothing about it appeals to me at all. I pretty much hate it. The way I perceive music, it comes off as very amateurish. However, that's just me. Millions of people love it. Many genres of music have developed directly from it; none that I've cared for, but that's just me. So, I can say 'it sucks' for myself, but I can't say 'it sucks' as a universal statement. Same goes for certain types of primitive americana art (or abstract art). To me, it looks like a two-year-old could have done it. It does nothing for me. But, that doesn't mean millions of other people won't love it.

I think you're right, though, when you say 'art' is pretty hard to define, and the required skills or talent it takes to be an artist are rather hard to pin down as well. I guess it's kind of like the rural vs urban argument. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!
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Old 01-16-2010, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Canada
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ahhhhhhhhh---"Carter Family"

Brings back memories of my older sister playing Carter Family albums on her record player in the living room of our old farmhouse.( late 1950's )
And the saddest thing is that I'm 47 so just how out of place do you think that makes me, knowing the Carter Family songs by heart?

"'Neath the shadows, down the meadow, leaves lyin' on each side
by the river, flowers shiver, fadin' dyin' in their pride..."
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Old 01-16-2010, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Stuck in NE GA right now
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I love living "country". Currently I live in NE GA about 1 hour from the north side of ATL and about 25 Mins from Athens, GA. I live on 10 acres across from 1200 acres in a very rural part of the county and region.

Movies - rent or netflix, I hate going to movies anymore it seems that they turn up the volume way too loud for my taste. Music - that's what CD's are for, besides the radio doesn't play my kind of music nor are the performers playing live shows anywhere near where I live. Dining out, don't really like southern fried everything and I think I cook better that anything I can eat out at for a lot less. The other "culture" events available in this state I'm just not into.

I love watching and shooting (with a camera) wildlife and nature scenes. Deer in my "yard" plent of birds in the feeders, I can walk outside on a clear night and see tons of stars. I can easely spend days and days here without seeing anyone and it doesn't bother me.

In the past I had horses and rode alot but due to health reasons I can't care for them anymore so they are gone, but I still have my dog and we go for walks.

I LOVE THE QUIET, the peacefullness, and enjoy my "private time".

My brother who lives outside of LA worries about me being alone in the "wilderness" - and what if something should happen to me.

When I sell (if anyone is interested I've got 10 acres for sale of pasture and hardwoods - please send private message), this will be my last really rural place, with my age of 60 this year, I'll need to move to someplace closer to better health care. My hopes are to find a moderate size town and live on the outskirts.
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Old 01-16-2010, 09:35 PM
 
Location: 125 Years Too Late...
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I love living "country". Currently I live in NE GA about 1 hour from the north side of ATL and about 25 Mins from Athens, GA. I live on 10 acres across from 1200 acres in a very rural part of the county and region.

Movies - rent or netflix, I hate going to movies anymore it seems that they turn up the volume way too loud for my taste. Music - that's what CD's are for, besides the radio doesn't play my kind of music nor are the performers playing live shows anywhere near where I live. Dining out, don't really like southern fried everything and I think I cook better that anything I can eat out at for a lot less. The other "culture" events available in this state I'm just not into.

I love watching and shooting (with a camera) wildlife and nature scenes. Deer in my "yard" plent of birds in the feeders, I can walk outside on a clear night and see tons of stars. I can easely spend days and days here without seeing anyone and it doesn't bother me.

In the past I had horses and rode alot but due to health reasons I can't care for them anymore so they are gone, but I still have my dog and we go for walks.

I LOVE THE QUIET, the peacefullness, and enjoy my "private time".

My brother who lives outside of LA worries about me being alone in the "wilderness" - and what if something should happen to me.

When I sell (if anyone is interested I've got 10 acres for sale of pasture and hardwoods - please send private message), this will be my last really rural place, with my age of 60 this year, I'll need to move to someplace closer to better health care. My hopes are to find a moderate size town and live on the outskirts.
Wow. I'd have a hard time leaving that!
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Old 01-18-2010, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Lead/Deadwood, SD
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I live in Lead SD pop +- 2500 - Here are some things in our area I have been able to enjoy this last year - attended a couple local productions at the Lead opera house, visited the wildlife sanctuary outside of Spearfish, watched a local band twice at the watering hole (very good and talented musicians IMO, and I can walk home!) winter and summer fireworks in Lead, Nemo SD outhouse races (strange winter event), attended hockey games in Rapid City, attended most of my Sons FB games, went to a grand opening for a new casino, several local chamber parties, several of the areas car shows, saw several great bands at the Deadwood Jam, went to a huge concert during the Sturgis bike rally - I guess if a person had to do something every day a city would be more diverse, but on any given week within a short radius I suspect most local areas have a variety of things to pick from, and most for a reasonable price - these are just a few of many organized functions in our area, add the stuff I can do on any given day and heck I can't imagine needing to live in a large city to find something to keep occupied - I guess its like TV for some people, one day 3 channels isn't enough then 13 then 45 then 75, then 175 etc., and until the choices seem infinite I suppose there can never be enough.
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Old 01-18-2010, 08:24 PM
 
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I didn't read all the replies because I'm so busy being entertained by the city jk

We just moved to a town of 28000 after living 20 minutes outside of a town of 300 that was over an hour away from any other towns not much bigger. I can understand the arguments that some people just won't like living really remotely. I could see many many benefits to our old location and we will miss living there. However, I also saw that it was hard on me to be so remote, so far from stores and "entertainment", staying at home all day with my 3 small children.

By "entertainment" I don't necessarily mean operas, fancy food, or even movies and malls. I mean being able to walk to the park or the post office, or go to the store to pick up a gallon of milk without having to drive all day. These things are priceless to me and I missed them terribly while we lived out in the woods. I also am excited to once again be near museums, parks, stores, movie theaters and rental stores, libraries, bookstores, restraunts, etc. Oh, and people

So I can see why some people would say that they don't think a remote location would be desireable, It's truly not for everybody. I suppose my example is extreme, the small city I moved to might be "too small" for somebody else. But hey, I guess that's why there's a variety of places people can and do live, right?

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Old 01-19-2010, 01:13 AM
 
Location: Canada
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I didn't read all the replies because I'm so busy being entertained by the city jk

We just moved to a town of 28000 after living 20 minutes outside of a town of 300 that was over an hour away from any other towns not much bigger. I can understand the arguments that some people just won't like living really remotely. I could see many many benefits to our old location and we will miss living there. However, I also saw that it was hard on me to be so remote, so far from stores and "entertainment", staying at home all day with my 3 small children.

By "entertainment" I don't necessarily mean operas, fancy food, or even movies and malls. I mean being able to walk to the park or the post office, or go to the store to pick up a gallon of milk without having to drive all day. These things are priceless to me and I missed them terribly while we lived out in the woods. I also am excited to once again be near museums, parks, stores, movie theaters and rental stores, libraries, bookstores, restraunts, etc. Oh, and people

So I can see why some people would say that they don't think a remote location would be desireable, It's truly not for everybody. I suppose my example is extreme, the small city I moved to might be "too small" for somebody else. But hey, I guess that's why there's a variety of places people can and do live, right?

Well, it's not for nothing that there's an old saying about the West being hell on horses and women. I think generally speaking, women have a more difficult time of it, and it isn't entirely in the past that women not only worked a hard day on the farm/ranch, and then of course put in a full day cleaning the house, doing the laundry, making meals and looking after the kids, often without seeing another grownup (apart from the husband) for weeks.
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Old 01-19-2010, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Middle America
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I didn't read all the replies because I'm so busy being entertained by the city jk

We just moved to a town of 28000 after living 20 minutes outside of a town of 300 that was over an hour away from any other towns not much bigger. I can understand the arguments that some people just won't like living really remotely. I could see many many benefits to our old location and we will miss living there. However, I also saw that it was hard on me to be so remote, so far from stores and "entertainment", staying at home all day with my 3 small children.

By "entertainment" I don't necessarily mean operas, fancy food, or even movies and malls. I mean being able to walk to the park or the post office, or go to the store to pick up a gallon of milk without having to drive all day. These things are priceless to me and I missed them terribly while we lived out in the woods. I also am excited to once again be near museums, parks, stores, movie theaters and rental stores, libraries, bookstores, restraunts, etc. Oh, and people

So I can see why some people would say that they don't think a remote location would be desireable, It's truly not for everybody. I suppose my example is extreme, the small city I moved to might be "too small" for somebody else. But hey, I guess that's why there's a variety of places people can and do live, right?
It's really just a matter of perspective...I miss my former long, peaceful drives through the countryside. I can still do that if I plan and schedule it, of course, but before, it was embedded as part of my day, to get anywhere I needed to be. I now live in a metro of 2 million, and while I do enjoy it, there are tradeoffs to be made. Being around people is okay, but being around people's MESSES is consistently annoying. The amount of litter and junk, even in our "nice" community, is appalling. Things stay so much cleaner without hordes of people to muck them up.
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Old 01-19-2010, 11:41 AM
 
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---" litter and junk"--are not limited to bigger towns.

Driving in some of the most scenic,rural areas of the South and one will see many areas of people living in --litter and junk--.

( and those are in sparesly populated areas )
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Old 01-19-2010, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Eastern Washington
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Default Litter and Junk down South

Those are not litter and junk, they are project cars awaiting restoration. And building materials, stored outdoors, awaiting new projects, which are right around the corner...

In any case, it's OK, because the Kudzu will cover all of it before mid-July anyway...
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