who else wants to move out of Sacramento? (2009, find a job)

[Ceece]

I've never lived anywhere but CA. Bay Area to be exact. I've listened to people bash CA and praise wherever but when I've actually gone to wherever to visit I realize they are spinning it to convince themselves. We all do that to some degree but people who leave CA because of the high COL usually do so begrudgingly, and with a huge chip on their shoulder. I've been lucky in that I can afford to live here, I bought my house long before the dot.com housing boom and I'll be around for the next big thing too. When I think about moving somewhere cheaper (and thats the ONLY reason) I come up short in too many other areas. I may relocate within the State however, and Folsom is looking good to me these days.

And remember, most people from CA are from somewere else first. I know very few natives like myself. So when you complain about "Californians" moving places and ruining them, don't forget to ask where they were from BEFORE they tried to live the California Dream.

[Screw Sacramento]

Originally Posted by matthew dale

i want out of california to.but my job skills are limited.and im broke.hoever.if you come up with a plan please let me know.ill sell my car split gas to move to a better life.

On limited skills I'd recommend getting vocational training wherever you can, for low income rates/scholarship.

There are some good ones in the Sacramento area that will give you a marketable skill. No guarantee you'll get a job, but it's better than nothing.

Check out:

Greater Sacramento Urban League
3725 Marysville Blvd
Sacramento, CA 95838-3738
(916) 286-8600

Charles A Jones Skills Center
5451 Lemon Hill Avenue
Sacramento, CA 95824
(916) 433-2600

Both fully accredited, job oriented, and cheap. Good luck!

[Screw Sacramento]

Originally Posted by Ceece

I've never lived anywhere but CA. Bay Area to be exact. I've listened to people bash CA and praise wherever but when I've actually gone to wherever to visit I realize they are spinning it to convince themselves. We all do that to some degree but people who leave CA because of the high COL usually do so begrudgingly, and with a huge chip on their shoulder. I've been lucky in that I can afford to live here, I bought my house long before the dot.com housing boom and I'll be around for the next big thing too. When I think about moving somewhere cheaper (and thats the ONLY reason) I come up short in too many other areas. I may relocate within the State however, and Folsom is looking good to me these days.

And remember, most people from CA are from somewere else first. I know very few natives like myself. So when you complain about "Californians" moving places and ruining them, don't forget to ask where they were from BEFORE they tried to live the California Dream.

I was born in California, lived all up and down the northstate (from Redding to Sacramento) and was in school and politics here. I lived in another state for a couple years due to military service and thought it was way better. It's just depressing coming back here.

Definately not trying to start a fight or bash your love for California, because it's great you're happy where you are, but I'll miss very few things here when we move. The state is spending more money than it has and just taking more from it's people in numerous small ways than it's giving back to them. We're definately sinking here

[Screw Sacramento]

Originally Posted by leavingcali

I have a year left on my Master's degree and then I want to move. Who's with me? Actually, it isn't just Sacramento that I want to get a way from, but CA in general. Who can afford to live here anymore? I want affordable housing, a picturesque town, and summers that aren't miserable. Any suggestions? Anyone else in this town looking to leave?

I'm with you, obviously. I'm getting tired of CA's numerous laws, rules, fines, and lack of justice, in particular. Cost of living with the amount we're bringing in (no raises, furloughs, etc) gets tighter all the time, which is not the point of a career (advancement, anyone?)

My suggestion is Colorado. I talked to a California EDD rep that said yes, it's difficult here, but that are actually jobs in the Denver area.

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When it comes to price, timing matters. Compare housing price levels in both Denver and Sacramento.

South West OFHEO Home Price Appreciation Tracker
Central California OFHEO Home Price Appreciation Tracker

Denver had several telecom companies that building out data networks that got huge valuations during the internet boom. These companies hired lots of people with stock options and that bid up the prices of housing. So in Denver Housing prices beginning in 1999 were rising faster than in Sacramento which was less exposed to internet companies.

When the internet bubble popped, the local economy in Denver was hurt and that was reflected in housing prices, which stagnated.

Meanwhile in Sacramento when the internet bubble popped, Sacramento was less exposed to it, so it was hurt a lot less by its unraveling. When interest rates were dropped after the collapse of the internet bubble, housing prices in Sacramento shot up.

Since the housing boom popped in 2005, housing prices in Sacramento have fallen much more rapidly in Sac than in Denver and the local economy is weaker.

Now depending on when you moved between Sacramento and Denver, you might have very different impressions of the merits of Sacramento vs Denver. Lets say you owned a median priced home in Sacramento to move to Denver. If you moved in 2000, the proceeds of your home sale would have bought a lot less home in Denver than if you moved in 2005, where the proceeds from your Sacramento median priced home might have allowed you to get say a nice mini mansion in nice neighborhood in Denver. But if you were to sell your median priced home in Sacramento today, you might only gets you an entry level home in an average neighborhood in Denver because housing prices have dropped much more rapidly in Sac than Denver since 2005.

I think your view of both Sacramento and Denver is probably greatly effected by what type of neighborhood you can buy into at a given point in time. 2005 was a great time to be moving from Sacramento to Denver where the proceeds of your home sale in Sacramento would have gone really far in Denver, but a really bad time to move from Denver to Sacramento where the proceeds in Sacramento probably wouldn't gotten you nearly as much in 2005 as it would today.

If you need to give up a good neighborhood in Sacramento to move to a so so neighborhood in Denver, you might not think much of Denver. But if you are moving from Denver at a period where you get to move from a so so neighborhood in Denver to a good neighborhood in Sacramento, you might think a lot more about Sacramento.

[Screw Sacramento]

I lived in Colorado Springs (and had family in Denver) and I loved it. There seems to be a lot of recreation, and I sense the people are a lot nicer than in Sacramento.

[Screw Sacramento]

True, and I can see the way you logically break down the housing and time periods, and strangely a lot of the housing does not apply to me. When I lived in Colorado, I had my housing covered by the military. When we returned to Sacramento, we lived in kind of a crappy apartment for a few months before moving into a very nice (my family owns it) home in a good neighborhood of Sacramento. Still can't stand Sacramento for various other reasons though, like the politics and the schools here.

If we move back to Colorado we will probably be moving into a unit that some of our family owns out there. Someday if we get a decent job where we can actually start talking about buying houses (that hasn't happened to us yet, even though husband has a state job here), then I'll probably be more interested in those aspects of the economy.

[Ceece]

Originally Posted by Screw Sacramento

I was born in California, lived all up and down the northstate (from Redding to Sacramento) and was in school and politics here. I lived in another state for a couple years due to military service and thought it was way better. It's just depressing coming back here.

Definately not trying to start a fight or bash your love for California, because it's great you're happy where you are, but I'll miss very few things here when we move. The state is spending more money than it has and just taking more from it's people in numerous small ways than it's giving back to them. We're definately sinking here

My life has not been effected. If I had lost a job..but that happens in every state. If my house lost equity..no, that happens everywhere too. Nope.

I agree we are spending more money than we should, just like the ENTIRE US GOVERNMENT. I also know there are specific problems in specific areas. But again, TRUE OF ANY STATE.

Sometimes though, change is good just for the sake of change. Or you might prefer different scenery or weather. Good luck wherever you go. Just know that wherever you settle, people who were born and raised there want to leave because it blows. That's just how life works.

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by Ceece

I agree we are spending more money than we should, just like the ENTIRE US GOVERNMENT. I also know there are specific problems in specific areas. But again, TRUE OF ANY STATE.

It is definitely true that CA seriously overspends (just as the US gov't is doing). I'm losing a lot of confidence in the US in general. I think we're a sinking ship.

That said, CA is one of the worst states for overspending. That's why we have the lowest credit rating of all 50 states. There is a lot of denial about the severity of California's financial problems among the general populace.

So, if the US really does sink, California will be the first part of the ship to be submerged.

[NewToCA]

But how many folks want to leave Sacramento, and California, because of state financial problems?

In reality, isn't it always personal stuff that drives the decisions? I can understand some linkage, such as a state worker or contractor who is suffering financial problems due to state budget cuts, but isn't that really translating the state issues into the personal impact?