who else wants to move out of Sacramento?

[ringwise]

Originally Posted by Ceece

People have knee jerk reactions to things. I don't know anyone who moves to a state because they are in good financial shape, they move their because they have a job or family or like the weather or whatnot. And I don't know why anyone would move out of a state because it has financial problems either. It's always about personal things.

You can't say that anymore (although I suspect you will, to suit your argument). I'm moving out of state because CA has financial problems. It's not knee jerk - I've been planning and researching for some time. I don't have family in the area I'm planning to move to, nor a job. I don't love the weather either. I'm currently employed, and own my own home (not upside down). And the reason I picked the state I'm moving to is specifically because it's in good financial shape, has good job prospects, and is business friendly.

I guess it might be about personal things, like food, clothing, gas, etc. I like those things personally.

[Screw Sacramento]

Originally Posted by Ludachris

Funny, for web development and other high tech jobs, that's what people still say about California - even with all the bad publicity it's gotten lately, it's still a better place to find these jobs than other areas. Jump on Monster and see just how many jobs you find open in CA... it's surprising. High unemployment rate, but still lots of jobs available. Strange, I know.

As for Sacramento specifically, I couldn't really comment on the job market. I know it's not a big market for high tech jobs.

I guess that's good news for me though, since I'm now pursuing a bachelors in Information Systems Security. Someone experienced told me the computer sciences and that concentration in particular was a savvy move, so I'm glad I chose it.

[Ludachris]

Originally Posted by Screw Sacramento

I guess that's good news for me though, since I'm now pursuing a bachelors in Information Systems Security. Someone experienced told me the computer sciences and that concentration in particular was a savvy move, so I'm glad I chose it.

Yeah, IT will be big everywhere, and especially in the Bay Area from what I still hear.

[Ludachris]

Originally Posted by ringwise

You can't say that anymore (although I suspect you will, to suit your argument). I'm moving out of state because CA has financial problems. It's not knee jerk - I've been planning and researching for some time. I don't have family in the area I'm planning to move to, nor a job. I don't love the weather either. I'm currently employed, and own my own home (not upside down). And the reason I picked the state I'm moving to is specifically because it's in good financial shape, has good job prospects, and is business friendly.

I guess it might be about personal things, like food, clothing, gas, etc. I like those things personally.

The main things that makes CA expensive is housing and property taxes. If you make enough money to cover those two, the cost of living isn't much higher than most other desirable areas across the country. Most people will likely have to take a pay cut to live in a cheaper area, so the cost of living tends to be relative anyway. Just because you move to a state that is in better financial shape, has good job prospects, and is business friendly, doesn't necessarily mean you'll be better off or will like the area. But it does end up working out for some people... it appears we're going around in circles now.

[Ludachris]

Originally Posted by ringwise

Your life is being affected - you just haven't realized it yet. Yes, other states have lost jobs, but it has the 5th highest unemployment rate in the country. And the Sacramento area is worse that the entire state's.

Other states have had their housing prices drop, but few are worse than CA. Other states spend more money than they should (although not all), but CA again is one of the worst. And by spending money that they don't have, they have to keep upping the taxes on the people that live here.

Other states may "blow", but the real thing that blows is that people like you think that just because other people are in the same boat, it's OK.

What's surprising is that with all the huge housing price drops in the Sacramento region, the average median housing price appears to still be above the national average and pretty close to the CA average - according to the quick search I just did. Now for how long that remains to be the case is anyone's guess.

And yes, the state's unemployment rate is among the highest, though the larger CA metro areas still have a very high number of job openings for various markets (especially high tech). The Sacramento area definitely looks like the largest metro area in the state that is hurting the most in terms of jobs though. But I bring this up because people keep referring to CA in general with the stats they're posting.

I know some people might simply be in denial about the state's problems, but others are looking at data beyond the same 3 stats that keep getting posted (unemployment, housing prices, migration numbers) and are learning that it's not all doom and gloom - at least not for everyone, and in some cases it's still a better situation than some could find elsewhere. I had a discussion with a guy who lives in San Ramon who would like to move out here to the Denver area... if he could just find a job that pays anything close to what he's getting paid now. It tends to be relative.

[Screw Sacramento]

Originally Posted by Ludachris

I had a discussion with a guy who lives in San Ramon who would like to move out here to the Denver area... if he could just find a job that pays anything close to what he's getting paid now. It tends to be relative.

I've actually done a lot of thinking about it, because since leaving the military I've spent the majority of my time in school training for things, rather than on the job. Since the state job we have here keeps us in the low income zone (about 36,000 gross annually) the promise seems to have left and there's not much reason to stay just for that.

Being that we're destined to be low income for most of our professional lives, I'd rather be poor in an area like Wyoming or Colorado Springs than an area like Sacramento or Oakland. Just my thoughts..

[Ludachris]

Originally Posted by Screw Sacramento

I've actually done a lot of thinking about it, because since leaving the military I've spent the majority of my time in school training for things, rather than on the job. Since the state job we have here keeps us in the low income zone (about 36,000 gross annually) the promise seems to have left and there's not much reason to stay just for that.

Being that we're destined to be low income for most of our professional lives, I'd rather be poor in an area like Wyoming or Colorado Springs than an area like Sacramento or Oakland. Just my thoughts..

In your case, it sounds like it wouldn't make sense to stay in an area where the median housing price is above the national average, especially if you're not thinking you can make more in that area compared to other cheaper areas.

However, just FYI, Colorado Springs has a similar median housing price as the Sacramento area depending on what sources you find. But you can find some lower cost areas out here in the Colorado metro areas that aren't too bad.

[Long's Window Cleaning]

what the hell are you even talking about? Are you attempting to respond to my post? Where did I say Cali "blows"?
You are a fool

Originally Posted by ringwise

Your life is being affected - you just haven't realized it yet. Yes, other states have lost jobs, but it has the 5th highest unemployment rate in the country. And the Sacramento area is worse that the entire state's.

Other states have had their housing prices drop, but few are worse than CA. Other states spend more money than they should (although not all), but CA again is one of the worst. And by spending money that they don't have, they have to keep upping the taxes on the people that live here.

Other states may "blow", but the real thing that blows is that people like you think that just because other people are in the same boat, it's OK.