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Old 12-02-2011, 07:43 PM
 
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BeeGlee: Which buildings at Cal Expo would be suitable for conversion to university classrooms? The exhibit halls? The racetrack? The cattle barns? The monorail? None of them are really suitable, they would have to raze it and build it from scratch anyhow. In the Railyards there is at least a fairly big pile of infrastructure bonds to lay out streets and install infrastructure.

Which is why the Westfield mall or other underutilized central city building might be suitable for a small university campus--Westfield is actively trying to find a buyer for Downtown Plaza, so I can't see them being too attached to it:

Bob Shallit: Westfield may have buyer for Sacramento's Downtown Plaza - Sacramento Business, Housing Market News | Sacramento Bee (http://www.sacbee.com/2011/12/01/4091543/bob-shallit-westfield-may-have.html - broken link)

Other suitable small-building "campus" locations might be the Plaza Building/RCA Building at 10th & J Street, which are city owned and currently vacant. That might be suitable for a small school (like relocating the art school in Natomas downtown) but obviously not for a full-sized college campus.
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Old 12-03-2011, 01:26 AM
 
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For building a university to be considered an investment and not an act of charity, then there needs to be something in it for the person who is providing the funds. The Tsakopoulos family seems fairly willing to provide funds for a private university in Western Placer County if he can get one of the local governments out there such as Roseville or maybe Rocklin or Lincoln to rezone agricultural land that they own in that area into land suitable for development as a way of funding a private univeristy. But what does the City of Sacramento or Cal Expo have to trade for getting a university built at Cal Expo or the Railyards? If the City of Sacramento had something they probably wouldn't be talking about selling off parking rights to a private vendor as a way of raising funds to keep the Kings.

Parking spots coming up shorter than expected in Sacramento arena funding calculus - Sacramento City News - sacbee.com

There was a time when some of the undeveloped land at Mather or McClellan probably could have been traded to fund a univeristy at either of those locations, but that opportunity seems to have passed.
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Old 12-03-2011, 02:33 AM
 
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I transfered to UC Davis and was there from 08-'11. I am not from Sacramento, but UC Davis IS Sacramento's UC. Heck, we have almost as much of a claim to being Sacramento's university as does our rival in Sacramento at J St (Sac State).

I'll tell you why. According to the Sacramento Biz Journal (Sept 30th, 2011), the UCD MED Center health system in Sacramento alone is the 3rd biggest employer in the county. That is not counting the actual faculty, staff, or connections at the main campus or extension campuses in the region.

While the majority of students at the main Davis campus are from the Bay Area or Socal, Sacramento is well represented. A lot of students in my major (I was Political Science and Community Development) went to Davis so they could get internships and work in the capitol. Many of them did and had happy experiences in Sacramento. UC Davis's location to Sacramento is a huge plus for the UC system and was seen as an early perk for location (though the number #1 reason was for better soil growing climate within an hour or two of parent Cal).

UC Davis football airs on KTHK 1140, the Kings radio station while Sac State is on a smaller FM station. The media stations cover all the protests, concerts, events, and happenings in Davis as we are in the sac media market.
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Old 12-03-2011, 04:15 AM
 
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I agree with you, Glenview94602--UCD is Sacramento's UC, just a few miles out of town due to the necessity of access to farmland for an agrarian university (and the lack of available farmland in downtown Sacramento.) But a lot of folks, including UCD staff, often try to distance themselves from Sacramento, despite the obviously close connection via UCDMC and the large number of students and faculty who live in Sacramento, as well as their excellent radio station KDVS which has a lot of Sacramento listeners.
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Old 12-03-2011, 10:41 AM
 
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I agree with you, Glenview94602--UCD is Sacramento's UC, just a few miles out of town due to the necessity of access to farmland for an agrarian university (and the lack of available farmland in downtown Sacramento.) But a lot of folks, including UCD staff, often try to distance themselves from Sacramento, despite the obviously close connection via UCDMC and the large number of students and faculty who live in Sacramento, as well as their excellent radio station KDVS which has a lot of Sacramento listeners.
I did notice some of that. But you should also see Davis vs. Woodland. UC Davis students love to make fun and joke at Woodland, while doing their shopping up there too.
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Old 12-05-2011, 07:16 AM
 
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With all of the cutbacks in the state, and the rising tuitions, etc., would anyone seriously argue for building and staffing and running a new UC campus 20 miles from UC Davis (driving distance, according to Google Maps), and less than 3 1/2 miles from California State University Sacramento? I like the UC system (I graduated from UCLA), but can't imagine the finances and demand being sufficient to make this happen within the next few decades. The only possibility, down the road, would be more classes, such as extension classes, etc., in Sac locations (I mean apart from the med center, of course). I got my Masters from the Univeristy of Maryland at College Park, which offered evening and weekend courses at many locations. And there is the increasing use of online/distance eduction.
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Old 12-05-2011, 12:38 PM
 
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BeeGlee: Which buildings at Cal Expo would be suitable for conversion to university classrooms? The exhibit halls? The racetrack? The cattle barns? The monorail? None of them are really suitable, they would have to raze it and build it from scratch anyhow. In the Railyards there is at least a fairly big pile of infrastructure bonds to lay out streets and install infrastructure.

Which is why the Westfield mall or other underutilized central city building might be suitable for a small university campus--Westfield is actively trying to find a buyer for Downtown Plaza, so I can't see them being too attached to it:

Bob Shallit: Westfield may have buyer for Sacramento's Downtown Plaza - Sacramento Business, Housing Market News | Sacramento Bee (http://www.sacbee.com/2011/12/01/4091543/bob-shallit-westfield-may-have.html - broken link)

Other suitable small-building "campus" locations might be the Plaza Building/RCA Building at 10th & J Street, which are city owned and currently vacant. That might be suitable for a small school (like relocating the art school in Natomas downtown) but obviously not for a full-sized college campus.
Most of the halls could be used. The aerial view shows a lot of existing buildings that are suitable for interior renovations to classrooms, offices, etc. I don't think much of it would have to be demolished at all. The whole urban re-use thing is in right now!


Regarding Downtown Plaza, the article you posted is news to me. It would work for a smaller arts & media university like Expressions College for Digital Arts in Emeryville. The location is premier and the infrastructure is there.

Again, a private school may be a better option for a university in Sacramento. I know most private universities in CA are still doing fine financially i.e. Stanford, Santa Clara, St. Mary's, LMU, Pepperdine, USC, UCD etc.
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Old 12-05-2011, 01:19 PM
 
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The urban re-use thing is in right now--but these buildings are really poorly suited for that sort of reuse. They are mostly large exhibit halls, not multi-story office buildings. A lot of the buildings in that aerial view are little more than sheds--the buildings to the right of the racetrack are stalls for racehorses! And the most important key of adaptive reuse is building location--near urban cores and transit centers. Cal Expo doesn't meet that definition. It also doesn't save any energy from adaptive reuse, because the new Cal Expo will have to build new buildings somewhere else. Trust me, I'm all about adaptive reuse--but downtown is a lot better location for such reuse than Cal Expo, and there are buildings more suitable to the purpose.
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Old 12-05-2011, 01:24 PM
 
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Right now the area is unable to raise enough money from the corporate base and private sector to build a new arena for the Kings. Building a private university is a much bigger and much more expensive undertaking. For all the reasons the Kings haven't been able to raise money for a new arena, a new university isn't going in at Cal Expo.
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Old 12-05-2011, 07:49 PM
 
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But a lot of folks, including UCD staff, often try to distance themselves from Sacramento..........
Really, who are these people?

One of my best friends is a retired professor from UCD, and he made his home in Sacramento while working 30 plus years at the University, and never tried to "distance" himself from Sacramento. He still lives in McKinley Park.

One of my community theatre friends lives in Sacramento and works at UCD while going to school there as well.

My rock climbing friends (young newlyweds from Denver) work in Sacramento and live in Davis.

I work with several people who all graduated from UCD (some from Sac, some not) who have settled in SAC.

My partner graduated from UCD and lives and works in Sacramento.

I have neighbors who work at the UCD med center in Sacramento.
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