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Old 03-04-2012, 10:37 PM
 
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The Sacramento region begins where Yolo County begins. It stretches to the Sierra Foothills from there.
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Old 03-04-2012, 10:53 PM
 
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No way, Bay ends in Vallejo or maybe Fairfield. Sac is its own region of California.
I wouldn't go that far. Fairfield feels like Sacramento, especially with the strip malls, the bland housing, and the military installation in Fairfield or Vacaville, but just a little hillier.
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Old 03-05-2012, 01:24 AM
 
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Yeah, Vacaville is no doubt 100% Sac though which means Sac is 100% itself.
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Old 03-05-2012, 09:45 AM
 
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Ah yes, another in a long series of California threads attemping to figure out who belongs to where and where do the borders start and end, always a fun topic. We seem to be in the minority, but some of us do not believe that Sacramento is quite in Northern California, rather more on the border, and that San Francisco most definitely is not. This line of thought believes that Northern California does not begin until one is in the mythical State of Jefferson. So, if Sacramento is not part of the Bay Area, which seems pretty obvious, where do we place it? North Central California? North end of the Central Valley? Someplace else?
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Old 03-05-2012, 10:01 AM
 
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Ah yes, another in a long series of California threads attemping to figure out who belongs to where and where do the borders start and end, always a fun topic. We seem to be in the minority, but some of us do not believe that Sacramento is quite in Northern California, rather more on the border, and that San Francisco most definitely is not. This line of thought believes that Northern California does not begin until one is in the mythical State of Jefferson. So, if Sacramento is not part of the Bay Area, which seems pretty obvious, where do we place it? North Central California? North end of the Central Valley? Someplace else?
It depends on where you're coming from. A lot of Los Angeles area folks consider northern California to start north of the Tehachipis, and I have known folks from Jefferson who considered Fort Bragg southern California. Sacramento is the primary city of the Sacramento Valley, and geographically we're a part of northern California. There have been more than a hundred efforts to split the state, but none have worked, so I think they're stuck with us and it's kind of pointless to figure out where the border should be.
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Old 03-05-2012, 11:34 AM
 
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Ah yes, another in a long series of California threads attemping to figure out who belongs to where and where do the borders start and end, always a fun topic. We seem to be in the minority, but some of us do not believe that Sacramento is quite in Northern California, rather more on the border, and that San Francisco most definitely is not. This line of thought believes that Northern California does not begin until one is in the mythical State of Jefferson. So, if Sacramento is not part of the Bay Area, which seems pretty obvious, where do we place it? North Central California? North end of the Central Valley? Someplace else?
I think the folks who live in "such" place should be the ones who describe where it is they live.

Sacramento - 97% of us say we are from NORTHERN CALIFORNIA and it stops there.

2% say we are in Northern California, in the Central Valley. 1% say we are from the Sacramento Valley only.
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Old 03-06-2012, 02:49 AM
 
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Ah yes, another in a long series of California threads attemping to figure out who belongs to where and where do the borders start and end, always a fun topic. We seem to be in the minority, but some of us do not believe that Sacramento is quite in Northern California, rather more on the border, and that San Francisco most definitely is not. This line of thought believes that Northern California does not begin until one is in the mythical State of Jefferson. So, if Sacramento is not part of the Bay Area, which seems pretty obvious, where do we place it? North Central California? North end of the Central Valley? Someplace else?
I always considered the North vs South division line to be in Madera County. This story was also reported on the California Heartland TV series many years ago.
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Where North Meets South
The center divider on Highway 99 just south of Avenue 11 in Madera County yields a symbolic trail marker that is easy to spot while driving. A pine and palm tree put together so the travelers would know where Northern and Southern California meet.

It is easy to imagine two friends, one with a pine tree from Northern California the other with a palm tree from Southern California, and the celebration when they met and planted them along the roadway. However, no one knows for sure who planted them according to Bob Thomason of CalTrans, who after looking into it, saved the trees from destruction by road crews.
If you look at a map of the big Central Valley, such as here Three Californias Rationale You'll notice that the "Sacramento Valley" is in the northern end, and the "San Joaquin Valley" is in the southern end. However, it appears that the 2 valleys meet in the Sacramento area. I imagine that is why some people consider it to be located in the northern central valley. I have to admit that has been my thinking too.
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Old 03-07-2012, 10:02 PM
 
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I consider Fairfield as the tip of the napa valley. Sac valley follows sac river, which starts north of redding. Clearly sac is northern ca
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Old 03-14-2012, 10:03 PM
 
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For most purposes, Sacramento is not part of the Bay Area. If you look at associations of local governments, the Sacramento region has the Sacramento Council of Governments, the Bay Area has the Association of Bay Area Governments. For trade promotion, the Sacramento region relies on Sacto, the bay area has the Bay Area Council. In terms of television and radio, again the Sacramento and Bay Area are different and distinct television and radio markets.

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I would say Solano County seems to be the transition area. For a lot of purposes, Vacaville and Fairfield are probably rely more on Sacramento than the Bay Area. For instance if you live in either of those locations, the nearest and most convenient airport is probably still Sacramento Metro Airport and not Oakland. For television and radio purposes these areas probably pick up signals from both Sacramento and the Bay Area. If you look at allegiance to NBA teams this is the area where people basically switch from following the Kings to following the Warriors.

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Economically and socially, Sacramento and the Bay Area are worlds apart. The Sacramento is still predominately a government town. The Bay Area is much better educated and has a much more diversified economy. While you have knowledge workers and blue collar people in both areas, you have a much higher concentration of knowledge workers in the Bay Area. The two largest political factions in the Bay Area are probably the Progressives and the Democrats while in the Sacramento region the two largest political blocks are probably still the Democrats and the Republicans.
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Old 03-14-2012, 11:47 PM
 
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Sacramento is a government town, but the Sacramento region's economy is really driven by the construction industry--which is why it is affected so dramatically by economic downturns like this one. And public employees tend to be knowledge workers--in general, public employees are more highly educated than private sector employees. So it's really more the private sector (dominated by the construction industry) that is probably dragging down the regional average in terms of educational attainment.

As to political party membership, the Bay Area still votes for Republicans or Democrats, same as we do, the Republicans just don't generally win very much. Sacramento County is the regional Democratic stronghold (the options for Sacramento city council and mayor tend to be a choice between the less-liberal and more liberal Democrat), but the lower-population counties just to the east are very, very Republican--Placer County more so than even Orange County.
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