How is life in Sacramento for African Americans

[Majin]

Originally Posted by x15

The poor in Sacramento are very diverse. The middle class and the wealthy aren't that diverse.

The middle class here is very diverse. I don't even know where you get that from. The inner city and close in suburbs such as Natomas/Pocket/Greenhaven (basically all the suburbs within city limits) are very diverse and very middle class.

I don't know what you define as wealthy but the wealthy areas in every major city in the US are disproportionally white. The very far out up scale suburbs are disproportionally white too like everywhere else in the country. "White Flight" happened everywhere.

Originally Posted by x15

Second, look at immigration patterns. In the bay area, high housing prices tend to push out the poor, you also have a lot more high skilled immigrants, the engineers from India, Korea and Taiwan.

In this area, we have a lot more Mexican, Hmong, Vietnamese boat people and the Russians. None of the immigrant groups in Sacramento are particularly well educated. The well educated immigrants just aren't coming here. So the poor are very diverse, the middle class and the wealthy isn't diverse.

So you agree with me that the bay area isn't as diverse as advertised? I don't know why you keep bringing up income and education levels into the conversation, but a variety of ethnicity and incomes is part of diversity. Sacramento attracts lots of both.

Originally Posted by x15

Locally, the big problem is the schools. The minority folks are disportionately likely to drop out. So you have persistence in the poverty rates for these groups that never graduate from high school. So the area isn't turning these minority neighborhoods into a future middle class.

Again, this is a problem everywhere and I'm not sure what this has to with diversity in Sacramento.

Originally Posted by x15

In LA, you have neighborhoods like Whitter and Baldwinn Hills, neighborhoods where the middle class and wealthy Hispanics and African Americans live. In Sacramento, there really isn't anything comparable to that yet. In the bay area, you have lots of neighborhoods that area both diverse and not poor. Whether its Alameda, Rockridge or Berkeley. The Silicon Valley is highly educated and highly diverse.

Sacramento really has yet to pull that off.

I'm not familiar with those areas in LA, but Berkeley and the Silicon Valley are in no way diverse. Pocket is up scale area and is diverse.

[Phil Minor]

I see Majin is up to his usual trolling.

The more things change the more they remain the same.

[r.humboldt]

Originally Posted by Majin

I'm not familiar with those areas in LA, but Berkeley and the Silicon Valley are in no way diverse. Pocket is up scale area and is diverse.

Majin has a point. It's true Berkeley is not numerically as diverse as Sacramento, if by "diverse" we want a euphemism for "non-white":

Bay Area Census -- City of Berkeley

Sacramento (city) QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

However, cities run together in the East Bay (Alameda County) and Alameda County is more diverse (non-white) than Sacramento County. Further, most people asking for information about a new area are talking about a wider description of diversity than simply numbers of non-whites. Berkeley and neighboring Oakland score highly for diverse cultural, ethnic, lifestyle, educational, entertainment, sports, and restaurant choices.

I'm sure the Pocket area is wonderful and I'm not sure if Majin meant his/her Berkeley comments as a comparison to Pocket or an insult to Berkeley. Either way, onthemovetosac might want to take at look at Berkeley/Oakland and make up their own mind whether Majin's "in no way diverse" description makes any sense under any interpretation.

[Majin]

Originally Posted by r.humboldt

Majin has a point. It's true Berkeley is not numerically as diverse as Sacramento, if by "diverse" we want a euphemism for "non-white":

Bay Area Census -- City of Berkeley

Sacramento (city) QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

However, cities run together in the East Bay (Alameda County) and Alameda County is more diverse (non-white) than Sacramento County. Further, most people asking for information about a new area are talking about a wider description of diversity than simply numbers of non-whites. Berkeley and neighboring Oakland score highly for diverse cultural, ethnic, lifestyle, educational, entertainment, sports, and restaurant choices.

I'm sure the Pocket area is wonderful and I'm not sure if Majin meant his/her Berkeley comments as a comparison to Pocket or an insult to Berkeley. Either way, onthemovetosac might want to take at look at Berkeley/Oakland and make up their own mind whether Majin's "in no way diverse" description makes any sense under any interpretation.

Exactly, it seems like for some reason a lot of people are using the word diverse to mean non-white. The reason why Sacramento was rated the most diverse city in the country by NYT? Because they actually know the definition of diverse, unlike most people on this forum.

[edwardius]

Ignore Majin's trolling.

[Majin]

Ignore the facts? Sure if it makes you sleep better at night.

[edwardius]

Majin you are pretty much a fact free zone. Ignoring you is showing respect for facts.

[bergumc78]

If you can change your mind, in the bay area there are far more better opportunities for us African Americans. The job market is in the toilet unless you have a bachelors or doctoret degree.

Sure the cost of livings good, rent is low housings just right to buy if thats what your gonna do. But if I was not married and my partner did not have 15 more years here to go to retire, Id be gone back to the bay area.

With traffic it takes 2 1/2/ hours to get to the bay, on weekends 1 hour 30 mins. Good Luck!