What Level of Gang Activity in Sac and precisely where (Sacramento: renting, attorney)

[Hank2]

Things can be as bad even in northern California. Small provincial towns like Dunsmuir in Southern Siskiyou County have succumbed to dopers and white-trash/Mexican/Indian hooligans:

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[Tiger Beer]

Do these kind of gangs exists in the Bay Area of San Francisco?

I use to live in SF...and always have had a preference for the Asian communities of America...and didn't notice anything like that there as mentioned in these threads about Sacramento.

Is Sacramento much worse in this regard? Or am I just out-of-the-loop or unaware of it when I was living in SF?

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Tiger Beer

Do these kind of gangs exists in the Bay Area of San Francisco?

I use to live in SF...and always have had a preference for the Asian communities of America...and didn't notice anything like that there as mentioned in these threads about Sacramento.

Is Sacramento much worse in this regard? Or am I just out-of-the-loop or unaware of it when I was living in SF?

I think you were a bit out of the loop. There have been Chinese Tongs in SF since the gold rush or before. With the proliferation of immigration from Asia have come more gangs, many begun here that didn't exist in their home countries. Our society has not been a good influence on their family structure.

[wburg]

Asian gangs are still active in San Francisco, and have been around since the Gold Rush, you probably just didn't notice them because they tend to stick to their own neighborhoods. Sacramento has had an Asian population for just as long, so yes, there are Asian gangs here, but anyone not actually in that community might not even notice they are there. We also have a large southeast Asian population that came here in the 1970s and 1980s, and some of the children of immigrants have formed gangs the same way as Irish and Italian immigrant kids did.

[Jimbo15]

The gang problem is partially a function of social integration. For the past 20 years, the City of San Francisco has been gentrifying. The Asian gang problem is now more of an East Bay problem than a SF one. You still have issues near Chinatown, Hunters Point and the Tenderloin and in many of housing projects. But high real estate prices are making SF too expensive for a lot of the immigrant communities that would provide a recruiting ground for gangs.

While SF has still has a lot of immigrants, a lot of these immigrants now overall are much better educated. Think engineer from Taiwan or Korea rather than Hmong boat person. Educated immigrants succeed much better in this society than the uneducated immigrants. They have better job skills and may have some academic knowledge of English. They also may have better business connection back in their country of origin, that help them advance here.

Poorly educated immigrants have problems affording moving to SF proper. This is why the problem has pushed out to Oakland, Richmond, San Leandro etc. Rents are cheaper. Because those areas already have problems with social integration, immigrant kids join gangs to help protect themselves from other people in gangs.

With the uneducated immigrants you have systems of parental authority undercut by the fact that the kids learn English faster than the parents. This means that the parents have to rely on the kids to help them negociate a lease or even deal with teachers. They also may have no tradition of education.

Among the US born, one of the best predictors of going to college is whether or not your parents went to college. But that also carries over to the immigrant populations.

In the Sacramento region, you have large immigrant populations, but so far, the region hasn't formed a critical mass to start attracting the highly educated immigrant populations.

In the Sacramento region overall, skin tone still is a very strong predictor of educational attainment. Generally the best educated regions are also the most anglo and the most native born.

In Seattle, I suspect that is less the case. You will probably have some neighborhoods where the immgrants aren't too well educated but other neighborhoods that have large populations of highly educated immigrants. That is happening in the Bay Area, its happening in LA. Seattle is big enough where I suspect its happening their too.

In the future it will probably start happening in the Sacramento region as well. But so far, this process isn't too far advanced yet in the Sacramento region.

[Shope]

Originally Posted by Fat Freddy

Since there are about 250 active gangs in Sacramento representing many ethnic groups

250? What did you make that number up? No way there is 250 different active gangs. Sacramento is not some gang ridden city. It doesnt even compare to Southern California.

[tommy221]

Ok, I am considering moving from Miami, FL to Sacramento. After reading this thread, I am left wondering - are the gang issues in Sacramento worse than those in Miami or my previous home of Atlanta?


So, I did some checking, and most, if not all, of the major crime categories are in the 1.5 times the national average range for Sac. Where as ATL and MIA, are consistently in the 3.5+ range. This would indicate to me that the situation may not be as dire as this thread would lead people to believe.


Currently, I am renting a room in S Broward (Carol City area) and am a 33y/o white male (1 of 3 in Miami). And have not experienced anything more than a few dirty looks in the 2 months I've lived here. After living here, I feel as though anywhere else would be fairly tame, with the exception of say, East LA? I've been told the primary difference between EC/WC gangs is the WC gangs are divided by race and sect, vs. the EC where its more of a drug and neighborhood battle.


Does anyone have experience with the aforementioned cities compared to Sac?

[Shope]

Sacramento is super tame compared to Miami, not sure about Atlanta myself.

[RandomU]

Originally Posted by Shope

250? What did you make that number up? No way there is 250 different active gangs. Sacramento is not some gang ridden city. It doesnt even compare to Southern California.

Actually it looks like he is right, or close enough for Government work.

As of Dec 20, 2007, "The District Attorney's Office has validated 223 different gangs in Sacramento County to date."

Deputy's Death Highlights Gang Activity - Sacramento News Story - KCRA Sacramento

RandomU

[Shope]

Originally Posted by RandomU

Actually it looks like he is right, or close enough for Government work.

As of Dec 20, 2007, "The District Attorney's Office has validated 223 different gangs in Sacramento County to date."

Deputy's Death Highlights Gang Activity - Sacramento News Story - KCRA Sacramento

RandomU

I guess it depends on what you consider a "gang." My sisters boyfriend is a Sac County Sheriff's office who does gang work occasionaly. He gave me the breakdown of the major gangs and there were not a ton of em. Though if you conside a couple of guys selling drugs "a gang" then I suppose that would add up quickly. They are actually working on a gang website for the Sacramento area, let me see if I can find it.