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Old 08-23-2009, 12:34 PM
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I like Davis, but I wouldn't take accept a job offer clear across the country without visiting the place first. If you have problems here, its your own damn fault for not visiting first.
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Old 08-23-2009, 02:24 PM
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I like Davis, but I wouldn't take accept a job offer clear across the country without visiting the place first. If you have problems here, its your own damn fault for not visiting first.
i'm aware of this. i've been waiting for a job opportunity like this for a while though and am going for it.
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Old 09-22-2009, 12:54 PM
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How is the cost of housing in Davis compared to Sacramento?

I also read on another thread, that Davis is more pedestrian-friendly in a much larger area than Sacramento? True?
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Old 09-22-2009, 01:07 PM
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Davis is a city of 60,000 people. Sacramento is a city of 450,000 people. Many people have made the claim that Davis is much bigger than Midtown, a single neighborhood in Sacramento, but it's really an unfair comparison, because Midtown is not the only pedestrian-friendly neighborhood in Sacramento. It's a bit like saying that Sacramento is bigger than the Castro neighborhood in San Francisco. In terms of strict numbers it's a true statement, but it assumes that every block of Sacramento is equally pedestrian-friendly/interesting, which is not true.

The pedestrian-friendly parts of Sacramento are the central city and the old suburbs: East Sac, Land Park, Curtis Park, Oak Park. The first three are still very comfortable and highly-regarded neighborhoods--the latter has a very very bad reputation but it's cheap.

The northern part of Davis is a charming little college town, bike-friendly and adjacent to UC Davis' huge sprawling campus (part of why Davis encourages bikes is that it's a long hike to walk from one side of UC Davis to the other.) The parts of Davis south of the freeway are pretty much generic suburb: strip mall and beige boxes. Their one big plus is that they have a bikeway through the whole city, and an urban boundary (necessitated by their position at the edge of a weir that floods every winter) that prevents uninhibited suburban growth. Sacramento's eastern portions are above the flood plain, which is largely why Sacramento's suburbs exploded to the east, into the county and surrounding counties.

The cost of housing in Davis is significantly higher than most of Sacramento, both for rent and for sale. College towns are always a rent premium, and in the areas close to the college and the charm your neighbors will be mostly college students, which generally means lots of parties. The schools in Davis have a strong reputation.
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Old 09-22-2009, 01:45 PM
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I also read on another thread, that Davis is more pedestrian-friendly in a much larger area than Sacramento? True?
If you start to believing things like this you really need to stop listening to nerds on the internet and actually get out and see things for yourself in person.

It's amazing some of the things people will even entertain on the internet.
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Old 09-24-2009, 03:51 AM
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Davis is very nice. Politically its very liberal. Its a college town. Because the grad students and profs send there kids, to the local schools, the local schools are the best performing public schools in the region. The high quality schools in turned attracted the professionals. Its mostly white and asian.

For this region its fairly expensive. Look here at both Davis and El Macero.

DQNews - Sacramento Bee Zip Code Chart

In this region, things tend to happen first in Davis and then the migrate elsewhere. The first cafe and coffee roaster in the region showed up first in Davis. The first natural foods coop in the region got started in Davis. So did first crepiere and microbrewery. The first almond growers co-op got started in Davis and then later expanded to Sacramento.

What they did at UC Davis was apply chemistry to wine making and brewing. It was the science at Davis that allowed the Napa wine makers to catch up in a generation with the French who had viewed wine making as more of an art than a science. But success of the UC Davis approach in got breweries and vintners worldwide coming to Davis. Historically it has been this exchange of foreign gourmands coming to learn or teach food science that has put the area on the leading edge for foodies in this region. Its that combination of foodies in Davis for professional reasons, college students who want to skip dorm food and professionals looking for something novel that has keep the restaurant scene in Davis so vital for so long.

Going back to the 1960's people in Davis, took an unusual interest in bikes and bike culture. There were bike activists interacting with profs who had spent time in Denmark wondering if they could establish a Danish type bike culture in Davis.

Since the 60's you have had people trying to create and expand a the local bike culture and in many respects it worked. It also the highest share of people getting around by bike of any city its size. See the census data here.

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The high rate of bike usage was the reason Davis was the first city recognized as Platinum by the League of American Cities for its extensive bike infrastructure.

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Most of the research for setting up bike lanes in California was started in Davis and then codified into state law. Then other states basically copied what California did.

Going back to the sixities there was a sustained commitment in the City of Davis to expand the local bike culture.

I am not sure if you every heard of a fused grid, but in practice Davis acts like large fused grid. Its a way of arranging things so that its highly permeable to bikes and pedestrians, but not very permeable to autos. They were just experiment trying to make things easy to travel by bike, but it effectively evolved into a giant fused grid.

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Every street in Davis has a bike lane and they are about twice as wide as anywhere else (so you don't have to worry about a door opening in front of you). Additionally they didn't want traffic to be going much faster than 25 to 30 mph, because that is the speed a lot of people stop feeling comfortable about riding there bikes near cars.

Additionally because some people just won't drive near cars at all, they created a second system of bike paths. The back bone of that system was the Davis bike loop. On the bike loop you never have to deal with cars. Then they added branches to the loop, to make it more useful to get to destinations in Davis, those branches and loop helped to form the Davis Greenbelt. They also did stuff like put up lighting and water fountains, and emergency phones to making riding on the bike paths safe at night.

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One of the consequences of making the city highly permeable to bikes was to also make it highly permeable to pedestrians as well. When you slow down traffic and when you make the cul de sacs open into bike paths, you make walking faster than driving. If you look at the census data above, its not just that rate of bike riding is unusally high. But you also have a lot of people walking and taking mass transit to get to work. Transit usage in Davis is more than twice as high as the region as whole and the share of people walking to work is about three times as high. This isn't just for one isolated neighborhood or zipcode. This data is for the entire city of Davis. The results here are very impressive.

Sacramento, CA Urbanized Area - Selected Economic Characteristics: 2005-2007

If you include students going to UC Davis instead of just people commuting to work, then the numbers get even more impressive.

ITS-Davis e-news: Issue 38, June 2009

The other aspect about Davis is the long term nature of the commitment to bikes. Davis wasn't able to kill highway 113. But they did manage to force it to be submerged. Why that was important is that it allowed the bridges over the freeway to be at street level, making the bridges cheaper for the city to build and making it easier for people to ride over the bridges.

Whenever there is a busy street or a freeway, they have done an excellent job of providing infrastructure to get around it.

Bike Tunnels - Davis Wiki

Its the long term nature of the committment to bikes that has allowed them to get so many details right over time. The storm drains in Davis are unique, they drain to the side, not from the bottom. If you drive over them, your tire won't get caught nor will your tire slip out underneath you.

Davis is about 12 sq miles. The wonderful thing about Davis is that no part of Davis is out of reach of any other part of Davis by bike. If you are tired, you can put your bike on the bus. The bike transit pedestrian system is very well integrated that way. You can live in any part of Davis and you don't need a car.

If you live on campus in the dorms at Davis, they don't have parking. A lot of the students just don't have cars in Davis. Because you can get around by bike, by foot and by transit so easily, you don't need a car. But because Davis is fairly big, roughly 60,000 people, generally you can find most things you need locally.
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Old 09-24-2009, 10:39 AM
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Davis is indeed very nice. Except maybe for williamlewis, I don't think anyone is suggesting that the place isn't nice.

When did the first cafe and coffee roaster show up in Davis? You've got me curious.

It appears that Sacramento and Davis both started their co-ops as cooperative buying clubs in 1972, but Sacramento opened a storefront in 1973 and Davis started theirs in 1976.

Davis' logo of the penny-farthing bicycle always reminded me of the old TV show "The Prisoner."

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Old 09-25-2009, 04:07 PM
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Davis is nice and the Davis wiki is very useful for seeing from afar what types of things are happening in Davis. You might also look at the California Aggie and the Davis Enterprise site. The people I know who live in Davis really love it. Its both largest and the least car dependent community in the region. There is a bunch of stuff to do in Davis and there are really no sketchy parts of Davis, so you can pretty much be out and about any time and anywhere.

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The big negative of Davis is price. Its expensive. If you can afford it, its a nice place to live. But if you can afford to buy in Davis, you could probably afford to buy in Marin or Berkeley, which are also nice places to live with much nicer climates and areas that offer much better access to all of the attractions that the bay area has to offer.

Compare the Davis zip codes 95616, 95618 here with bay area zip codes below.

DQNews - Sacramento Bee Zip Code Chart

DQNews - San Francisco Chronicle Zip Code Chart

If family or career means that you have to live in this region, I think its an excellent choice. But if it doesn't I think if I had that amount of money, I would probably just move to the bay area.
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Old 09-26-2009, 01:35 AM
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Davis is a great town. The university, like Cal creates a crop of educators that trickles down to the grammar schools. Davis has decent public schools k-12, relatively safe streets. It has a decent UC and the student body is more studious vs party orientated like schools chico and santa barbra. So it doesn't get terribly crazy with students. Most Davis residents appreciate the students. The students support local business, are a cheap and competant workers, teach their children, and rent from their properties. The school has even gotten some sports into NCAA division 1 so they are really shaking that ag image and becoming well rounded in their own right. The town is less than a half hour from sac proper.
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