Massive Folsom Expansion Underway (Sacramento, El Dorado Hills: for sale, how much, new house)

[Chimérique]

Originally Posted by NoMoreSnowForMe

Example: Gilroy is in the same county as Palo Alto, Santa Clara, San Jose. There is public transportation that can get you from Gilroy to all of the above. But, Gilroy is it's own town, and not part of the Sacramento metro area.

Folsom and Sacramento are distinctly different cities. A metro area does not include all towns within the same county. Yeesh, you guys.

NoMoreSnowForMe, your point and example does not make much sense. Your Gilroy example is weak and inaccurate. Gilroy is part of the San Jose-Santa Clara Metro area.

San Francisco and San Bruno are distinctly different cities in different counties yet they are part of the same metro area. Berkeley and San Francisco are distinctly different cities in different counties with a huge Bay separating them yet they are part of the same Metro.

A Metro Area often includes all towns within the same county, especially if the County land area is not very large.

[NoMoreSnowForMe]

Originally Posted by Chimérique

NoMoreSnowForMe, your point and example does not make much sense. Your Gilroy example is weak and inaccurate. Gilroy is part of the San Jose-Santa Clara Metro area.

San Francisco and San Bruno are distinctly different cities in different counties yet they are part of the same metro area. Berkeley and San Francisco are distinctly different cities in different counties with a huge Bay separating them yet they are part of the same Metro.

A Metro Area often includes all towns within the same county, especially if the County land area is not very large.

We have different definitions. It's okay.

[wburg]

Originally Posted by NoMoreSnowForMe

We have different definitions. It's okay.

No, the official/legal definition of the Sacramento metropolitan area includes all of Sacramento County, plus all of Yolo, Placer and El Dorado counties. Folsom is most definitely part of Sacramento's metro area, and it exists primarily as a suburb of Sacramento. A metro area generally has many different types of cities, from major cities like Sacramento, medium-sized cities like Roseville, Elk Grove and Folsom, and even small cities like Auburn, Galt and Placerville. Nobody is trying to say that Folsom is within the city of Sacramento, or that they are the same kind of city--but that's not what a "metropolitan area" means.

[NoMoreSnowForMe]

Originally Posted by wburg

No, the official/legal definition of the Sacramento metropolitan area includes all of Sacramento County, plus all of Yolo, Placer and El Dorado counties. Folsom is most definitely part of Sacramento's metro area, and it exists primarily as a suburb of Sacramento. A metro area generally has many different types of cities, from major cities like Sacramento, medium-sized cities like Roseville, Elk Grove and Folsom, and even small cities like Auburn, Galt and Placerville. Nobody is trying to say that Folsom is within the city of Sacramento, or that they are the same kind of city--but that's not what a "metropolitan area" means.

If you say so, oh metro area expert. But, I still disagree.

[Chimérique]

Originally Posted by NoMoreSnowForMe

If you say so, oh metro area expert. But, I still disagree.

If you think Folsom is not part of the Sacramento Metro, then you must think Glendale and Hermosa Beach are not part of the LA Metro Area, or Sausalito and San Mateo are not part of the SF Metro Area.

What is it that you disagree on after we have already shown you that are they are connected. Are you basing this on your limited or dated knowledge of the Sac Metro.

[xenxes]

Looks like we're starting Phase II again?

[Malloric]

Originally Posted by NoMoreSnowForMe

Example: Gilroy is in the same county as Palo Alto, Santa Clara, San Jose. There is public transportation that can get you from Gilroy to all of the above. But, Gilroy is it's own town, and not part of the Sacramento metro area.

Folsom and Sacramento are distinctly different cities. A metro area does not include all towns within the same county. Yeesh, you guys.

Correct. Gilroy is not connected with the Sacramento metro area. It has, however, become increasingly connected with the San Jose area over the past 40 years or so. There's a big difference though between Gilroy and Folsom. Gilroy is a moderate bedroom community with the daytime population shrinking by about 10% as all the commuters hit the road for their jobs, mostly heading to San Jose area. Folsom is a job center with the daytime population increasing by about 10% as all the commuters leave wherever they're going and head for Folsom.

Commute trend for Folsom is more like Alameda County. Like Folsom, Alameda County actually grows in daytime population. Sure people leave and commute to work in San Jose or San Francisco but there's more people coming in than going out. Same with Folsom. Lots of people commute to Sacramento but there's even more coming in both from Sacramento as well as from the foothills.

[Malloric]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Yep, it's crazy how Folsom is growing but I can only wonder where those folks will go 10 years from now, it seems to be a continuing migration from suburbs to exurbs.

In what way? Folsom has lots of good jobs, low crime, good schools, generally pretty affordable (median household income around $100k with quite a bit of inventory in the 400-600k range that's pretty affordable on $100k.

Biggest limit on growth in Folsom to me is how fast jobs can be added. Sacramento's labor market is fairly weak in terms of growth, and Roseville/Folsom is hotter but it's a far, far cry from the Bay Area where there's an overwhelming shortage of housing. Folsom is pro-growth where most of the Bay Area is intensely anti-growth so there's few artificially imposed barriers to growth in Folsom.

[KC6ZLV]

Originally Posted by NoMoreSnowForMe

Example: Gilroy is in the same county as Palo Alto, Santa Clara, San Jose. There is public transportation that can get you from Gilroy to all of the above. But, Gilroy is it's own town, and not part of the Sacramento metro area.

Folsom and Sacramento are distinctly different cities. A metro area does not include all towns within the same county. Yeesh, you guys.

That means nothing. Metro areas often overlap counties.

Folsom is in the same MSA as Sacramento. There is no way one could separate Folsom from that. Cities and communities in a metro area typically have strong economic ties with one another, and that is the case with Folsom and Sacramento, as well as Roseville, Elk Grove, and even towns a bit of a drive down the block like Woodland, Davis, Placerville and Auburn.

[Elliott_CA]

Eh, the quibbling about the metropolitan areas is relatively trivial. There are more important factors to consider about this housing development:

-- More suburban sprawl (what happened to "No way L.A."?).
-- More traffic on an already congested Hwy 50
-- More demand on already oversubscribed water resources, especially when the drought or normal weather returns.
-- How about preserving some open space so our kids know what natural land looks like?

If LAFCO did its job they should've denied the Folsom annexation. They rubber-stamped it, local developers have too much influence. That's why we need the state to be more involved with land use decisions. You can't trust the local governments to do it, there's too much conflict of interest.