from SF bay area to ROSEVILLE?

[quasi888]

As much as I don't like labels, I'm about as "liberal" as it gets , and although I don't actively push my views on others, I have no problem stating or defending them, either. And in over a year of living in Roseville, I have never felt any outright animosity from any of my fellow residents. Don't get me wrong -- there is no scarcity of "McCain/Palin 08", "McClintock 08", and "Yes on 8" bumper stickers around here. But you would also be REALLY surprised how many Obama, Brown, and No-on-8 supporters there are too.

Honestly, I really do believe a gradual shift is underway in Roseville's cultural makeup (and by "cultural" I'm not necessarily implying only "ethnic", although it's certainly part of it); I've witnessed it myself over the past year. So, I think you owe it to yourself to at least visit, maybe give it a try and rent for a while, if that's feasible. This city is big enough for people of all credos to get along.

[P8nt]

I for one moved to Roseville in Crocker Ranch BEACAUSE it is a little more solid feeling in terms of values, I am not a church going died in the wool Republican but what some call "diversity" I call the degrading of a neighborhood, with the exception of the bay area and its goofy economy and outlandish salaries it is hard to find an area of the country that would be willing to tolerate such "diverse" beliefs and "lifestyles". Your neighbors should not know your taste in music because you play it too loud, your car should not sound like an out of tune kazoo. You can hunt, fish, and off road in a truck, motocross on a dirt bike, play paintball, or drive a great American made muscle car without feeling like you are doing anything wrong, let alone worry if someone is going to accost you for wearing a fur or leather jacket, or ordering a steak. A good neighbor is one you meet for a backyard BBQ, not when your filing a complaint with the local police. You should be solid citizens who like peace and quiet in your neighborhood, not the type to take a wooden stick, affix a cardboard sign to it, and protest the cutting down of trees - like those you killed to make the tools of protest. Its about values and common sense. That's why you pay good money and have good people living there.
And no one should feel unwelcome due to race, religion, or sexual orientation. Just be a good neighbor.

[Boompa]

Roseville is NOT San Francisco, it isn't even Sacramento. It's suburbia without a city.

[D-town 720]

News flash SF bay area folks. You dont have to tell a Sacramentan that you're from the SF bay. Just say what city in the bay you are from - most will know since many are from the SF bay.

I read the OP's post and it seemed like she/he was talking to someone from across the country!

[Ludachris]

Originally Posted by P8nt

I for one moved to Roseville in Crocker Ranch BEACAUSE it is a little more solid feeling in terms of values, I am not a church going died in the wool Republican but what some call "diversity" I call the degrading of a neighborhood, with the exception of the bay area and its goofy economy and outlandish salaries it is hard to find an area of the country that would be willing to tolerate such "diverse" beliefs and "lifestyles". Your neighbors should not know your taste in music because you play it too loud, your car should not sound like an out of tune kazoo. You can hunt, fish, and off road in a truck, motocross on a dirt bike, play paintball, or drive a great American made muscle car without feeling like you are doing anything wrong, let alone worry if someone is going to accost you for wearing a fur or leather jacket, or ordering a steak. A good neighbor is one you meet for a backyard BBQ, not when your filing a complaint with the local police. You should be solid citizens who like peace and quiet in your neighborhood, not the type to take a wooden stick, affix a cardboard sign to it, and protest the cutting down of trees - like those you killed to make the tools of protest. Its about values and common sense. That's why you pay good money and have good people living there.
And no one should feel unwelcome due to race, religion, or sexual orientation. Just be a good neighbor.

Ahhh, but if your car isn't a classic muscle car and sounds like an out of tune kazoo, you might feel unwelcome? I guess if you like the same cars "they" like, then you're welcome. But if your taste in cars or recreational activities differs...

If you're trying to make the statement that people are tolerant out there, you're not doing a very good job with this statement. LOL!

I think a good neighbor is one who doesn't pass judgment or make you feel unwelcome, unless of course, you've done something to make him/her feel unwelcome.

[quasi888]

And no one should feel unwelcome due to race, religion, or sexual orientation.

I agree! And yet, earlier you quite clearly associate diverse beliefs and lifestyles with the "degrading of a neighborhood."

Your car should not sound like an out of tune kazoo

I'll echo Ludachris' observation: it seems that your definition of an acceptable vehicle to drive seems pretty narrow. A few years ago I owned a Subaru Impreza WRX. Some would consider it a "rice-rocket" car. I wonder: had I been a neighbor of yours, how would you have viewed me through your lens of perception?

You can hunt, fish, and off road in a truck, motocross on a dirt bike, play paintball, or drive a great American made muscle car without feeling like you are doing anything wrong, let alone worry if someone is going to accost you for wearing a fur or leather jacket, or ordering a steak

And you're implying that these types of activities would be universally shunned in a place like the Bay Area? I spent 20 years of my adult life living there, before moving to Roseville. During those years I was -- and continue to be -- an avid angler, a motorcycle enthusiast (raced at amateur level for 3 years), played indoor and outdoor paintball, and steak lover (pass me a ribeye please), without anyone ever trying to convince me that I was "doing anything wrong".

You should be solid citizens who like peace and quiet in your neighborhood...Its about values and common sense. That's why you pay good money and have good people living there.

How do we quantify nebulous terms like "solid" and "good"? How “quiet” is quiet enough? “Common sense” to whom? I have a feeling that if you lived in my cul-de-sac, you’d be pleased with the fact that my neighbors and I keep our properties clean, and maintain our lawns regularly. But would you be offended by the fact that we occasionally like to go outside and noisily have a few beers, while our kids are laughing and shouting, having fun chasing each other? Would it annoy you whenever my across-the-street neighbor fires up his Harley for a Sunday morning ride? (Or, does he get a free pass from you because it fits within your parameter of “American muscle”?)

You should...not (be) the type to take a wooden stick, affix a cardboard sign to it, and protest the cutting down of trees

But it would be OK to take a wooden stick, affix a cardboard sign to it, and protest a definition of marriage that runs counter to yours? Or a political candidate who disagrees with your views? Oddly, during the days leading up to the last election, the number of protest signs here in Roseville reminded me of my days at Berkeley. Would you have been bothered any more if the throngs of “Yes-on-8” / “No-on-8” supporters/protesters at every major intersection were treehuggers?

I’ve lived here for 2 years now, and I’m glad to say that most residents seem to have a much more inclusive definition of “good neighbor” than yours.

[P8nt]

The reason I wanted to move from the bay area was that having lived in the more conservative, but still fun loving Midwest (Michigan) I missed having a feeling of security and fellowship with my neighbors.
I belonged to a car club that included imports, crotch rockets, and muscle/sports cars, both new and vintage.
We all put out lawn chairs and hung out, young and old alike and spent time talking about what we had in common rather than discussing our differences.

Having just sold a very nice townhouse in an area that was infested nightly with spiky haired idiots driving tiny cars with coffee can mufflers scurrying about the roads in our area after 2am (like so many cockroaches) it will be nice to see more solid and responsible folks out and about enjoying the hobby and bringing others into it. I think racing is great for the track, and to the person who spoke about the bay area welcoming muscle cars, motocross, and hunting... it must have been a different area than Fremont then. Here no one knows where to do those things, and if you mention a shooting sport they cringe. The Import style racers who came in to our area didn't live there, they lived in "other" areas but our is a great place at night for racing, flat long stretches of stoplight free roads and few police at 2am-4am. Gates keep them out.

The remark I made about degrading a neighborhood is not opinion, it just is what it is, I am second generation American and I can see that certain people and the way they live brings down property values, brings in higher crime, color , race, and ethnicity have nothing to do with it, trash is trash no matter its origin.
Again, right or wrong, lets not get all emotional or preachy -- it is what it is. I didn't mean to offend. I just stated that in a gated community like Crocker Ranch is a much nicer place, reflected by the property values and lower crime. Again not to slight anyone but there is a "wrong side of the tracks" in every town. Its just not Crocker Ranch. Or in the bay area, atherton, menlo park or a few other nice communities.

[Ludachris]

Originally Posted by P8nt

The reason I wanted to move from the bay area was that having lived in the more conservative, but still fun loving Midwest (Michigan) I missed having a feeling of security and fellowship with my neighbors.
I belonged to a car club that included imports, crotch rockets, and muscle/sports cars, both new and vintage.
We all put out lawn chairs and hung out, young and old alike and spent time talking about what we had in common rather than discussing our differences.

Having just sold a very nice townhouse in an area that was infested nightly with spiky haired idiots driving tiny cars with coffee can mufflers scurrying about the roads in our area after 2am (like so many cockroaches) it will be nice to see more solid and responsible folks out and about enjoying the hobby and bringing others into it. I think racing is great for the track, and to the person who spoke about the bay area welcoming muscle cars, motocross, and hunting... it must have been a different area than Fremont then. Here no one knows where to do those things, and if you mention a shooting sport they cringe. The Import style racers who came in to our area didn't live there, they lived in "other" areas but our is a great place at night for racing, flat long stretches of stoplight free roads and few police at 2am-4am. Gates keep them out.

The remark I made about degrading a neighborhood is not opinion, it just is what it is, I am second generation American and I can see that certain people and the way they live brings down property values, brings in higher crime, color , race, and ethnicity have nothing to do with it, trash is trash no matter its origin.
Again, right or wrong, lets not get all emotional or preachy -- it is what it is. I didn't mean to offend. I just stated that in a gated community like Crocker Ranch is a much nicer place, reflected by the property values and lower crime. Again not to slight anyone but there is a "wrong side of the tracks" in every town. Its just not Crocker Ranch. Or in the bay area, atherton, menlo park or a few other nice communities.

I wasn't really offended, just pointing out the slight hypocrisy in your post. You talked about how people shouldn't feel unwelcome, yet you made comments that sound a little unwelcoming to those who don't share your opinions. I love all types of cars and currently own a 4-cylinder turbocharged car that might fit your profile of an "out of tune kazoo". I drive my car almost exclusively at local road courses (have taken it to Buttonwillow and Thunderhill in NorCal a few times) but sometimes on the street as well.

The "cockroaches" you described sound like young urban adults/teens doing what they always do in urban areas - stay up late making noise without regard for others. I do remember that about the Bay Area, but it's common in most urban areas. The suburbs will definitely have less of that. Just because some spike their hair and/or drive tiny cars with coffee can mufflers at late hours doesn't make them "trash" though - yet I'd agree that street racing on public roads needs to be done away with. Were all your neighbors young street racers?

What some consider "diversity" may include different ethnic backgrounds, different cultures, different lifestyles, a good mix of political and social views - which doesn't automatically mean less pride taken in home ownership or less regard for neighbors. How does diversity automatically equal the degrading of neighborhoods? To me, that has more to do with inconsiderate people that have little regard for their neighbors - not the result of a diverse neighborhood, don't you think? Can you describe the neighbors you had that you felt degraded your old neighborhood. Was there a common theme?