Is Rocklin a suburb of Roseville? (San Francisco, Sacramento: house, school district, college)

[NewToCA]

Originally Posted by sarahkate_m

Is that what an x-urb is?

Kate

Actually, what frequently happens back East is that old cities end up with smaller secondary urban areas developing 15-20 miles from the old core downtown. These are usually areas that were originally suburban areas in the 50's or 60's, but some decay had set in and the folks living around there wanted to pump up their economic viability.

As a result, some older large shopping areas were redeveloped into mid-rise office buildings, with some conveniences for the office workers already in place (such as spots to stop for lunch). As folks gain employment in these areas, some have significant development, and end up with 30-80K jobs in those old suburban locations.

This allows folks who work there to consider moving further out without having substantial commutes. As a result, you end up with the "sprawl" effect that some folks consider a detriment to an area. As I see it, this isn't a positive or negative, it just "is".

[NorCal Dude]

Rocklin is not an exurb, it is the edge of the suburban sprawl though. Auburn or woodland or davis are sacramento exurbs

[sarahkate_m]

Originally Posted by NorCal Dude

Rocklin is not an exurb, it is the edge of the suburban sprawl though. Auburn or woodland or davis are sacramento exurbs

thank you!

kate

[Mr. Ozo]

Roseville is the classic exurg. Woodland? not really.

[wburg]

Hm.
Davis is about 16 miles from Sacramento.
Woodland is 22 miles from Sacramento.
Rocklin is about 24 miles from Sacramento.
Auburn is 34 miles from Sacramento.

What makes Davis, Woodland and Auburn exurbs but not Rocklin? Undeveloped space between the cities? In the case of Davis and Woodland, the only reason the space is undeveloped is because there are actual bodies of water between here and there (the river and the weir.)

[Majin]

I'll just throw this out there...

Is Lincoln a suburb of Rocklin?

[Phil Minor]

Now we are counting angels on pinheads.

The census doesn't recognizes exurban area. It recognizes cities, census designated places, urban areas, metropolitian statistical areas and combine statistical areas. But the census bureau doesn't actually designate anything as an exurb.

The census does not designate cities based upon form, but based upon whether they are legally incorporated as cities. Thus, Isleton, Woodland, Roseville, Rocklin, Lincoln and Sacramento are all considered cities, whereas El Dorado Hills, Granite Bay, Carmichael, Fair Oaks, Gold River are all census designated places. Moreover these terms are flexible. When Citrus Heights, Rancho Cordova and Elk Grove incorporated, they all went from being census designated places to being cities.

If Isleton dis-incorporates like some have suggested, it could become a census designated place.

As far as the relationship between suburbs and the region, the census defines metropolitian statical area for our region as the Sacramento - Arden Arcade- Roseville MSA. So if we are getting anal, I think its probably most consistent to say that Carmichael, Fair Oaks and Granite Bay are suburbs (census designated places) in the greater Sacramento - Arden Arcade- Roseville MSA.

I suspect the reason the census went out of its way to avoid designating places suburbs of some other legally defined city because that would confuse more than it would illuminate. Do more people in Granite Bay work in Roseville, Rocklin, or Folsom? Assuming that employment is spread out fairly equally between the three how would one decide? These form based arguments aren't helpful especially when cities and census designated places in this area look and function pretty similiar. How different is Greenhaven from Fair Oaks? How different is Granite Bay from Folsom? How many people can accurately identify the borders of Arden Arcade and Sacramento? When I am driving down Marconi Blvd, the only thing different is the sign.

[NorCal Dude]

Originally Posted by wburg

Hm.
Davis is about 16 miles from Sacramento.
Woodland is 22 miles from Sacramento.
Rocklin is about 24 miles from Sacramento.
Auburn is 34 miles from Sacramento.

What makes Davis, Woodland and Auburn exurbs but not Rocklin? Undeveloped space between the cities? In the case of Davis and Woodland, the only reason the space is undeveloped is because there are actual bodies of water between here and there (the river and the weir.)

What makes cities like Davis Woodland and Auburn Exurbs and Not suburbs is the fact that there is a significant amount of open space and ag land that seperates these cities from other developed areas. In the case of Rocklin it is at the edge of the suburban sprawl along 80. Rocklin flows right into Roseville, and roseville into other developed suburban areas.

Davis is something of a college town exurb and a little different from places like Auburn and woodland which are your more traditional exurbs.

[Mr. Ozo]

Woodland, Davis and Auburn are nearly as old as Sacramento. Do you think when they were founded in the 1860's that people were like "Wow this is easy commute into Sacramento?" Of course not. Davis and Woodland both have a sizable employment base(the university and Ag respectively). Woodland also functions as the Yolo county seat. I'm only going off of personal experience here, but I'd say 75 percent of the populations of these cites don't commute over 5 miles. No one I know does. They are just small towns, both which have a done a decent job of controlling growth.

On the other hand, we have Plumas Lake. It's nothing but suburban style homes in the middle of nowhere. No downtown, no retail, no and I mean not one jobs. That is an exburb.

With Roseville, Elk Grove and Rocklin, it's the speed at which they grew. Roseville was smaller than Davis, Woodland, or Auburn not too long ago.

[wburg]

Actually, there was local commuter service to Auburn and Davis in the 1860s via the railroads--Davis started as a whistle-stop station on the CP mainline in 1868. art of why Sacramento didn't get a 4 year university until the 1950s was because UC Davis was considered the city's local college. Commuter rail service to Woodland on the Northern Electric started in 1912 and ran until 1940.

But yes, Mr. Ozo is essentially correct in that these were all just small towns: farming communities like Woodland, mineral extraction sites like Rocklin, or railroad whistle stops like Roseville and Davis. After the age of the auto, a lot of these small farming, orchard or ranching communities became suburbs (like "Citrus Heights" and "Orange Vale" did.) In some places, bits of these "old towns" are still visible, either in prominent form (like Woodland's historic district) or individual fragments (like the Rusch home in Citrus Heights.)