Raising Children in SLC, Utah - Non LDS (renting, condo)

[Taboo2]

Originally Posted by coolcats

However, I believe Internet posters also follow bell curves. And the people who are at one extreme are motivated to post their "facts" for all to see. Unfortunately, I don't think its the whole truth. It's really too bad, because I don't think the "facts" they post are universal or representative.

Yet you believe the others as whole truth because it agrees with what you preach? You certainly went around collecting positive posts so you obviously only believe people who post POSITIVE experiences with LDS.



This persons experience is valid. Just because you do not agree, believe or accept what happened to her does not mean it did not occur.

You really must understand that some people DO HAVE bad experience with LDS in Utah. They are entitled to their feelings just as much as those who had excellent experience.

[Taboo2]

Don't let others dismiss your experience just because it shows the LDS or their beliefs in a poor light.

What happened was unacceptable and what the LDS members on this board should be doing, is apologizing for the nasty, UNGODLIKE, behaviors that was instilled in the children who did this to your children. That would be the GODLY thing to do instead of denying it happened.

IN order to CHANGE this type of unacceptable behavior, they must first acknowledge it, but all I see people doing is disregarding any experiences that might show the LDS in a negative light. That is truly not the right way to stop this type of discrimination in the future.

It is called the mob mentality and it is hardly only with LDS. ANYWHERE this can happen and DOES happen. Whenever you have a lot of the same type of people, they may begin to think they have power in numbers and can step on others to get what they want. Usually people become inconsiderate of others and disrespect them because they know they are the minority and have less power.

This is why we have ACLU and Civil Rights, this may not have to do with Color, but discrimination against someone for religous beliefs *in this case- not being LDS* is just as illegal and frowned upon as if it were racial. And age does not matter, whether you are 12 or 22. There is no place in society for it no matter what the reason.

Originally Posted by SaveMtns

The Mormons we know outside of Utah are fine, by the way. The problem seems to be the majority factor.

[Taboo2]

GAG... So instead of welcoming people with other points of view into the area, you are staying they should stay out, or they should convert to be more like YOU?

No wonder you hated the bay area. YOU didn't fit in (clearly you didn't live in Alamo, Danville, Atherton, etc...) You of all people should understand what the non LDS people feel like in Mormondum, - you call it Utah, outsiders who don't fit in.

Instead of trying to make a wrong right, you just insist people convert to be just like everyone else in town instead of having their own thoughts and opinions?
PS Your being elderly might have something to do with that whole conservative shtick since as people age they also get more uptight and conservative.

Knowing the town better now, I wouldn't move my kids here to have them go to a public school (with a few exceptions around downtown SLC). Public schools are basically LDS schools. Nothing wrong with that, except that they're funded with taxes. I know the LDS members of this forum will disagree, but that's just the way it is. The LDS church does not invest in schools. Instead, public schools are populated by an overwhelming LDS majority, including teachers, and LDS seminaries are located in front of all schools. Children go to the seminary from school, very often during school hours, leaving the "others" behind. That's why the LDS population of Utah rejected the school vouchers, a very "republican" proposal, out of ignorance and fear of losing the funding for "their" schools. So if you're moving to SLC with children (non-LDS), seriously consider a private school, or schools in a more diverse area of town.

So does this mean Segregation is alive and well in Utah? What a shame that one group *whether they be catholic, baptist, muslim, buddhist, mormon* have such a stranglehold on the public school system.

I understand they would be the majority, but i would hate to hear that they actually gear anything in the public school system towards a parochial leaning.

[mhcLyon]

Taboo2,

Well said!

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by Taboo2

What happened was unacceptable and what the LDS members on this board should be doing, is apologizing for the nasty, UNGODLIKE, behaviors that was instilled in the children who did this to your children. That would be the GODLY thing to do instead of denying it happened.

Excuse me, but why should I apologize for something I'm not responsible for? If I had instilled those attitudes in my children -- which I didn't -- an apology would be warranted. The fact that some people are jerks is not my fault any more than it's yours.

[Lmejh]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

Excuse me, but why should I apologize for something I'm not responsible for? If I had instilled those attitudes in my children -- which I didn't -- an apology would be warranted. The fact that some people are jerks is not my fault any more than it's yours.

I agree - Mormons shouldn't be apologizing for other Mormons' behavior. It's like with any other religion, there aren't going to be Catholics apologizing for their religion-mates' (?) actions.

[Taboo2]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

Excuse me, but why should I apologize for something I'm not responsible for? If I had instilled those attitudes in my children -- which I didn't -- an apology would be warranted. The fact that some people are jerks is not my fault any more than it's yours.

It is called having sympathy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympathy , Empathy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empathy , and plain old Compassion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassion for this girl. All emotions in which many LDS on City-Data seem to be lacking.

Or do you encourage your children to demonize anyone who doesn't believe as you do?

I understand you have never had your child ostracized over their choice in God, but considering your people were picked on for so many years, you would think LDS would have learned a thing or two about casting people out and ostracizing GOOD people for BAD reasons.

[Taboo2]

Originally Posted by Lmejh

I agree - Mormons shouldn't be apologizing for other Mormons' behavior. It's like with any other religion, there aren't going to be Catholics apologizing for their religion-mates' (?) actions.

So instead of doing The right thing, you compare yourselves to a group of people who are doing the WRONG thing and use that as your model?

There is no excuse for allowing or encouraging your children to ostracize another child/teen/adult for whatever reason, in this case, because they were not LDS. God says Love one another as yourself, Not Judge one another and ignore and pick on those who don't believe as you do.

[SouthernBelleInUtah]

Sheesh! I don't apologize for slavery although I condemn it as wrong (I have never owned a slave). I won't apologize for my Christian beliefs that were used to persecute Jews and Muslims centurie ago (and maybe now?) but I condemn it as wrong (I don't think I persecute anyone for religion). Why should any LDS parent apologize for what another one has done? Just condemn it as wrong, as Katzpur has done, and move on.

[dcisive]

It just is what it is here in the great state of Utah. Anyone that says this place isn't "unique" and I say that with a winkie ;-) is a ostrich with their head in the sand. Way back in 1979 I had a friend come out to visit me from Illinois. He was so smitten with the Salt Lake area and it's cleanliness (which of course isn't like it once was) that he brought his wife and 3 kids out, rented an apartment in Sandy having gotten a decent paying job quickly. He lasted 6 months. His kids were completely shunned as back then with a 87% mormon population in the State it was tough even if you weren't a kid, but being a kid was BRUTAL if you weren't "one of them". Now I have no idea what it's like, but I wouldn't be surprised if in some neighborhoods it would remain tough for a non LDS kid to have much of a social life. And this coming from a State now tagged with the not to be proud of largest consumption of pornographic online usage. This also doesn't surprise me with the levels of suppression of the society here. Once again people will bury their heads in the sand and remain in denial....nothing new under the sun here that's for sure.........