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Old 01-15-2011, 07:49 PM
 
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I've read a lot in the forum regarding the free (Seminary) period in the Utah public schools. My intent here is not to start a discussion regarding the appropriateness of free period; it's already been done. My attitude is that it's not going away, so I need to decide if it is a big enough issue for me personally when considering whether or not to send my children to Utah public school.

So:

1) At what grade do kids actually start attending seminary?

2) What do the non-Mormon kids do during seminary period? If I assume seminary starts around the time of middle school or high school, is it simply a matter the Mormon kids including seminary in their school schedules at the start of the year. and the non-Mormon kids just scheduling some other elective class? Assuming this is the case, are there typically enough classes available for the non-Mormon student to put together a deceit schedule of classes?

3) A question for any non-Mormom former students or parents of students - has the existence of seminary had a negative effect on the quality of you child's education?

Thinking of Mov'n to Utah,

Marj

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Old 01-15-2011, 08:35 PM
 
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I belive that seminary is treated like an elective for the LDS students not quite sure though.
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Old 01-15-2011, 10:44 PM
 
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1) At what grade do kids actually start attending seminary?
I believe that early morning (before school) seminary is available as early as the 7th grade. Released-time seminary, on the other hand, is for grades 10-12 (unless I'm mistaken).

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2) What do the non-Mormon kids do during seminary period? If I assume seminary starts around the time of middle school or high school, is it simply a matter the Mormon kids including seminary in their school schedules at the start of the year. and the non-Mormon kids just scheduling some other elective class? Assuming this is the case, are there typically enough classes available for the non-Mormon student to put together a deceit schedule of classes?
There are absolutely plenty of non-Mormon kids to have a decent schedule of classes. Besides, not all Mormon kids attend seminary. Just think of it as another elective. If all Mormon kids were to take art, and all non-Mormon kids weren't, there would still be plenty of kids left to take all of the other electives that were available.

By the way, any religious group in Utah is welcome to set up their own released-time classes. I don't know of any that have done so, but it certainly would be permitted.
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Old 01-15-2011, 11:23 PM
 
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My dd is in 8th grade and seminary is not even offered at her school. Unless early morning seminary is arranged through the church, I never remember seeing anything mentioned about it at all when making out her schedule the past two years. It is offered for LDS students beginning in high school as release time.

It is just treated as an elective. LDS (and non..if that is what they want!) can choose to take seminary. There is no class credit given. If you choose not to take it, there are tons of other electives that you can take instead.

The existance of seminary has no impact on the quality of education whatsoever. It is a non issue. You wouldn't necessarily know the kids that are taking it anyway, unless they made you privy to that information (or you saw them walking off campus to that class).
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Old 01-16-2011, 12:03 AM
 
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Seminary starts in 9th grade. I'm not really sure how you think it's organized by your post, but there isn't like one seminary period where all the LDS students go to seminary at the same time. There are seminary classes during every period of the day, students take it whenever it fits into their schedule.

There are multiple classes within the seminary building each period, usually 3-4, with roughly 20-25 students in each class. I've heard the argument made that seminary relieves the work load of the public schools. In my high school of 1400, about 800 students took seminary. That's basically 800 students the school didn't have to teach for an hour a day because they took seminary.
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Old 01-16-2011, 10:07 AM
 
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The questions still stands tho.

What do kids, who are NOT attending seminary,
do during that same period ???

I am sure they are not just *standing around* , no ???

In essence,
when you are an LDS kid, you *may* go to Seminary,
when you are Not LDS, you do what ???

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Old 01-16-2011, 10:57 AM
 
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In essence,
when you are an LDS kid, you *may* go to Seminary,
when you are Not LDS, you do what ???
Whatever other elective floats their boat.
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Old 01-16-2011, 12:57 PM
 
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I'm trying to head off the "separation of church and state" question before it gets here.

The LDS church conducts seminary classes off campus in a separate privately owned building with instructors whose salaries are paid by the LDS church.

Students walk off campus to go to seminary classes which are conducted during most if not all class periods of the regular school schedule.

Seminary classes do, in fact, reduce the student population in each class period so that the high school "rotates out" a segment of their population every class period every day - which reduces class sizes in other courses.

Students who do not go to seminary classes attend a different elective (e.g. photography or music) and really aren't affected at all by the seminary program.

There is zero cost to the taxpayer and without the seminary program, there would be higher numbers of students in every class period every day.

The biggest problem as I see it is that every hour or so there are suddenly 30 teenagers ignoring traffic signs and taking over crosswalks to get back to school.

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Old 01-16-2011, 02:13 PM
 
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I saw some LDS church leader on the news a few years back, saying that they would be happy to help another church set up a similar program if anyone wanted to ask. So far as I know, theLDS seminary is the only religious program during the regular school day.
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Old 01-16-2011, 07:31 PM
 
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I saw some LDS church leader on the news a few years back, saying that they would be happy to help another church set up a similar program if anyone wanted to ask. So far as I know, theLDS seminary is the only religious program during the regular school day.
When I was a kid they had Lutheran class that I would go to in Californa.
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