gangs (Salt Lake City, Draper, South Salt Lake: crime rate, felons, live)

[dcisive]

Sorry but I do miss the "good ole days" as in any days prior to say 1981. There were NO gangs, there was NO graffiti and there was 1 murder between 1977 and 1981 PERIOD. Now you can watch the news and see several reported every single day. How sad is that. Oh....and there was NO rush hour. You could travel the entire valley with careless abandon any time of the day or night and NO waiting......

[cottonwood2420]

Originally Posted by dcisive

there was 1 murder between 1977 and 1981 PERIOD.

No. There were at least two murders that I know of that occurred in 1980.

[stycotl]

Originally Posted by AilaTyler

You should check out the History Channels Gang episodes. There is one specifically on Utah, SLC gangs. They are hugely hispanic or pacific islander gangs. And not just in Ogden but every where.

i'll agree that utah gangs are a problem–and a growing one at that–but they are still fairly mild compared to many other areas of the country, and not even comparable to some of the gangs of other countries.

i grew up in slc in the 90's and had my fair share of exposure to gangs, including having our house tagged with death threats from the local vietnamese gangs. but i'd take the gangs of slc over the gangs of richmond or la any day (but so long as we're talking hypothetical scenarios, we might as well discuss vigilante superheroes that get rid of all the gangsters in the first place).

aaron out.

[mitsuturbo]

It's funny.. everybody talks about gangs, and how there all these little "wanna be" gangsters. What determines whether they're legitimate "gangsters" or "wanna be"? Either way.. they get and use guns and commit crimes in the name of their "set" or whatever they're calling it now.

Gangs are f'ing retarded. Plain and simple. I think a large part of the problems we see with youngsters wanting to be "gangsters" today can be traced back to ....dare i say it? Yes.. hip hop music. Gangster rap, in particular. Selling dope, "pimpin ho's" "bangin hood rats" and "bustin a cap in your dead homies killa" are all glorified in the "gangster" aspect of hip hop culture, and it's disgusting!

[dcisive]

You're ALL wrong. The #1 root cause of a ganster is crappy parenting. Yes, like it or not, the parents are the #1 root cause for a kid gone bad. NO values are taught, either due to the fact it's a one parent household with NO time to teach the kid the basic right from wrong concept, nor give them a significant sense of self worth in the first place. The ONLY reason a kid becomes a punk gangster in the 1st place is they don't get the attention at home. If they did they would not seek the approval from punks that have NO direction in life, NO concept of the value of life, NO concept of the concept of "if it ain't yours leave it the &%$# ALONE! I'm older, and grew up in a different generation (the 50's-60's), I had great parents, and so did most of the kids I knew and grew up around. We had NO gangs, no lost kids, no problem children. They went off to college and got an education and got REAL jobs, got married, some had kids, they got responsible and became useful members of society. As far as I'm concerned the parents of these punk a$$ kids should be sterilized before they propogate these diseased kids that are now all of societies problems. It just makes me sick to see them getting away with it. Frankly I wouldn't miss a bit of sleep if they were ALL gathered up and dropped out of a plane at 30,000 ft. We'd ALL be better off for it. But then we need to take care of eliminating the trash that give birth to these mongrels as well..........there in lies the REAL root cause. But now we have to take THEIR trash out as well....how sad is that.............

[SouthernBelleInUtah]

Originally Posted by dcisive

You're ALL wrong. The #1 root cause of a ganster is crappy parenting. Yes, like it or not, the parents are the #1 root cause for a kid gone bad. NO values are taught, either due to the fact it's a one parent household with NO time to teach the kid the basic right from wrong concept, nor give them a significant sense of self worth in the first place. The ONLY reason a kid becomes a punk gangster in the 1st place is they don't get the attention at home. If they did they would not seek the approval from punks that have NO direction in life, NO concept of the value of life, NO concept of the concept of "if it ain't yours leave it the &%$# ALONE! .....................

I agree with the first part of your post. The problem is we now have 3rd generation kids of no parenting due to poverty to start with. Not every poor kid with little parenting becomes a thug but most thugs had little attention/parenting.

[coolcats]

Ok – here’s my story. My fence got tagged by a Mexican “gang” last November. Then their rival gang started tagging fences all over the neighborhood as well. Now a third gang – white supremacists have started tagging swastikas in the area. I really liked my house and yard. My kids made good friends. The neighbors are great. The schools are not that bad. For the first three years, there weren’t problems. I thought West Valley got a bad rep (and it still does to some extent). The houses in my neighborhood were new and nice. But the influence is moving in. All this has pushed me to move. I sold my house and am moving next week. I’m paying a little more, but we are moving to an area where the houses are a little more upscale, and I think the families that raise those kind of punks generally won’t be able to afford housing nearby. I hope I'm not coming across as snob-ish, but I have to think about the environment for my kids.

[dcisive]

Just so you are not deluding yourself, just about no matter HOW much the homes cost, it seem that the punks get the influences from the schools somehow. They will play and enjoy their Hip Hop and Rap music and get that wanna be attitude somehow no matter what social strata the come from. I live in an area of Herriman, where the homes range from $325k to $500k and already we've been made aware that there are punk gangs in some of the homes in Herriman. One kid got "curbed" which is where they take a kid and place his face on a curb and kick till his teeth are smashed. Also a stabbing at a home a few blocks from us, where apparently there was a party the kid was having (with the parent home) which must have included some opposing ganglet members, as there was a knock at the door and some other punks wanted to attend the party. The parent said NO and they pulled a knife and stuck the parent. So it is literally EVERYWHERE. As for tagging fortunately THAT has not been tolerated here and the area is still free of it. The 1st tagging incident was down in the Riverton section on 13400 S. and it was removed within 24 hours (as it should be). Statistics show if it gets removed within one day they'll move on. At some point I would imagine, if they don't get the satisfaction of tagging they want, they'll move on altogether. Frankly I wish they'd just catch the bastards and make them clean the entire city up for a month per tagging. That might get a bit of the message across. There is WAYYY too much tolerance of this garbage frankly.........

[coolcats]

Oh, I’m sure the influences are everywhere, but it’s relative degrees. One of the homes we looked at in Herriman had had meth in it, and it was formerly worth at least $500k. But I went to crimereports.com. Don’t know the accuracy of the site. But the comparison between the old and the new zip codes was 44 police reports to 4 police reports in the last two weeks.

[Teaj]

the thing about utah is that there are gangs you just gotta know where to look. If your trying to avoid gangs just find neighborhoods with big houses and nice cars, because almost every city and town has gangs just in the poorer parts.