Possible Move (Richfield, Nephi: home, living, best)

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by Pro*

Not hardly ..... our house just closed.

You are in for a real shock in the next few years as more of us 'family values, anti LGBT and anti drug' are on the way.
A LOT MORE.

Perhaps its time for you to think about San Fransisco ?

As far as I'm concerned, the only people I'm "anti" is rude people and people whose behavior puts me in danger. With respect to the LGBT community, I don't really give a damn what people do in the privacy of their own bedrooms.

[kaytidid]

Originally Posted by katzpur

as far as i'm concerned, the only people i'm "anti" is rude people and people whose behavior puts me in danger. With respect to the lgbt community, i don't really give a damn what people do in the privacy of their own bedrooms.

*standing ovation!!*

[CCSLC]

Originally Posted by Pro*

Not hardly ..... our house just closed.

You are in for a real shock in the next few years as more of us 'family values, anti LGBT and anti drug' are on the way.
A LOT MORE.

Perhaps its time for you to think about San Fransisco ?

You do realize that proclaiming yourself "anti LGBT" is akin to proclaiming yourself "anti left-handed" or "anti brown-eyed," right? Except the really terrifying part is that you can't even consistently tell when someone with whom you're interacting is the very thing that you are so against!

So, I'm curious, when you meet someone new, how do you know if you're anti THEM or not? You're not going to know every LGBT person you interact with, I guarantee, so do you make it a practice of asking new people about the details of their sex lives?

Sounds pretty perverted to me.

Oh, and you never did answer kletter1man's question about which "liberal" cities are disintegrating... the cultural and business meccas of New York and San Francisco, perhaps?

I hope you're moving to rural Utah, for your sake, as there are more LGBT people in SLC, per capita, than almost anywhere else in the country.

[Ankhharu]

Originally Posted by Pro*

Not hardly ..... our house just closed.

You are in for a real shock in the next few years as more of us 'family values, anti LGBT and anti drug' are on the way.
A LOT MORE.

Perhaps its time for you to think about San Fransisco ?

LOL, you are in for a quite a wakeup call if you think your numbers are growing. More and more states are legalizing marijuana and gay marriage, oh the humanity! lol. Look around, people are becoming more accepting of other people's lifestyle. Don't venture in to Salt Lake City or any major city. You may have a heart attack You might want to make a run for rural Mississippi. They are still clinging to bigotry, racism and still view woman as subservient in may parts. You can force your belief on others and potentially receive a pat on the back for your antiquated viewpoints.

Originally Posted by Zionide

You do realize that proclaiming yourself "anti LGBT" is akin to proclaiming yourself "anti left-handed" or "anti brown-eyed," right? Except the really terrifying part is that you can't even consistently tell when someone with whom you're interacting is the very thing that you are so against!

So, I'm curious, when you meet someone new, how do you know if you're anti THEM or not? You're not going to know every LGBT person you interact with, I guarantee, so do you make it a practice of asking new people about the details of their sex lives?

Sounds pretty perverted to me.

Oh, and you never did answer kletter1man's question about which "liberal" cities are disintegrating... the cultural and business meccas of New York and San Francisco, perhaps?

I hope you're moving to rural Utah, for your sake, as there are more LGBT people in SLC, per capita, than almost anywhere else in the country.

Pro* is going to have a stroke when he finds out how many LGBT people are in SLC, lol.

[cedarite]

Pro: It is profoundly obnoxious to tell people who were born and raised here to get out because you as someone who has never even lived here one day have a fantasy about how Utah should be. Just sayin'.

Also, you might be shocked at the number of conservative Utahns who want access to medical marijuana if they need it. Many are in to natural cures and medicines here and they tend not to skew liberal as in some states.

[cedarite]

Originally Posted by Zionide

I hope you're moving to rural Utah, for your sake,

Please no.... though non-traditional families in my area are more likely to be wearing prairie dresses and have 6 wives, I prefer neighbors who see things as they are and live and let live so long as everyone involved is of an age to legally exercise free will. When people like Pro come in they rant endlessly about how everyone else should leave and that Utah government is perfect, and then they unintentionally back and bolster the extreme corruption because they haven't been here long enough to see it. We need realists who help clean up the state's profound ethics problem. We need to clean up the fraud and clean up the corruption. That will benefit everyone no matter how many wives or husbands live in a particular household, and is our most pressing hurdle to overcome as a state.

[BlueRidge1]

lots of tolerance in this thread! Nothing like an eye for an eye and bashing someone because you feel they might be "intolerant", the worst of all crimes. The guy wants to raise his kids in a more family-oriented environment with fewer pot smokers - lynch him!

[easternerDC]

Originally Posted by BlueRidge1

lots of tolerance in this thread! Nothing like an eye for an eye and bashing someone because you feel they might be "intolerant", the worst of all crimes. The guy wants to raise his kids
in a more family-oriented environment with fewer pot smokers - lynch him!

I don't see any real "bashing" in this thread. But people mainly responding to this sentiment:

Originally Posted by NostalgicWashingtonian

We're not a perfect family and we're not perfect people. But we're not bad people, and I would hope our neighbors would recognize that in us.

Basically, the OP wants people to accept him and his family for who they are, but does not want to be accepting of others who don't fit his description/view of the "correct" lifestyle.

And why should we not call out people on stating that they are just automatically write someone off because they might be gay, or might have a tattoo. How does having a tattoo or being gay make you immediately a bad person. Many many people with tatoos or who are gay very likely may have similar values and morals as the OP.

[Ankhharu]

Originally Posted by BlueRidge1

lots of tolerance in this thread! Nothing like an eye for an eye and bashing someone because you feel they might be "intolerant", the worst of all crimes. The guy wants to raise his kids in a more family-oriented environment with fewer pot smokers - lynch him!

No one is bashing OP for being family oriented. It's his attempts to raise family to reject open minded thinking and to enforce stereotypes, myths, and other false ideologies. The "our way is the only right way" line of thinking. To suggest we should turn the other way because he wants to judge others based on what? Myth? Stereotypes? and because we don't want to live like his family? Judging someone because they have Tattoos or they don't celebrate the traditional way of thinking is absurd. Traditional way of thinking, pffft. Traditional is another way of saying white male dominance, all other races and genders are inferior and should do what I say. (I'll state for the record again, I am a white hetero male.) I won't enable this short sighted thinking.

No one is asking OP to partake in gay orgies and subject his kids to crack houses and make them get tattoo's and take the lords name in vain. It's just op's post is a thinly veiled mask of bigotry and prejudice that stinks. Now if you'll excuse me, since I have tattoos, I must go terrorize the neighborhood, commit lots of crime, take candy from babies, push old ladies down, and worship the devil. Because that's what people with tattoo's do, says so right here in the manual. *makes devil horns on top of head with index fingers*

[BlueRidge1]

Thinly veiled white male dominance eh? How do we know the OP is white? And I thought the OP was supposed to be the one making the stereotypes.

I don't have a problem with tattoos or legalized pot(but I wouldn't want my kids growing up around places reeking with it either). And to be fair (since we're all very focused on being tolerant), the OP noted that these traits tended to be associated with behavior he didn't want his kids to be surrounded by. I don't know if it's true or not, but its not hard to concede that -- at one point in time, maybe not so much anymore -- tattoos and weed were strongly associated with a non-traditional lifestyle.

The OP doesn't want to raise his kids in an area where homosexuality as a lifestyle is accepted. Nowhere did he state he hates these people or wants to force them to change. I don't see what this has anything to do with hating minorities and wanting to repeal the 19th amendment though.

You want to throw around the term "bigot" as if you are crusading against some tyrant who is oppressing large groups of people. Calm down - it's just a guy who wants to raise his kids away from what he perceives to be bad influences (some of which I agree with and some I don't).