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Old 05-25-2014, 08:57 AM
 
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My house sits on a named street and when I give my address it is the house number plus the named street. I don't have a direction attached to it.
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Old 05-25-2014, 11:21 AM
 
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Uhmmmm ... , why easy when you can go difficult ?

@ Kaytidid :
Your house does have a direction !
The front faces the street ...

Oh well !
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Old 05-25-2014, 12:50 PM
 
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Uhmmmm ... , why easy when you can go difficult ?

@ Kaytidid :
Your house does have a direction !
The front faces the street ...

Oh well !
That it does. I have tried getting it to turn around because I don't particularly care for the direction it faces, but it is being so very stubborn.
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Old 05-25-2014, 03:06 PM
 
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But they don't; it's simply that house numbers have direction attached to them. That's where I think the disconnect is for many people: individual house/business numbers are never only a number in SLC.

Consider the address 455 East 1300 South:
The street name is NOT East 1300 South; the street is 1300 South, and that's true whether it's west of Main Street or east of Main Street.
The house number is 455 East.

If one were to ask a resident of a named street (like... Redwood Road, for example), "What's your house number [on Redwood Road]?" the correct answer would be "3845 South" and not only "3845."

That is what you and I know. But try telling that to the map people. They insist on putting a direction FIRST so in your example my GPS would tell me to go to South 455 East 1300 south. Or South 3845 Redwood Rd.

And Katzpur: "The address 375 West 1300 South is an entirely different one from 375 East 1300 South. "
I know that, and you know that, but:
My GPS will tell me the address is South 374 West, West 1300 south.
Or South 375 East, East 1300 south
I absolutely agree the one direction is vital, but try telling my GPS I don't need that first one. It is extremely confusing and while I know to ignore it someone new the the area wouldn't have a clue how to find East 1300 South since the street signs don't have that on them (Obviously because it isn't correct).

Try getting around town with a GPS and you'll see what I mean.

And for what it is worth, Geo-Aggie... you lost me when you mentioned "Cartesian Grid".
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Old 05-25-2014, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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It is extremely confusing and while I know to ignore it someone new the the area wouldn't have a clue how to find East 1300 South since the street signs don't have that on them (Obviously because it isn't correct).
Yeah, I agree.
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Old 05-26-2014, 12:31 AM
 
Location: Central City, SLC
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My house sits on a named street and when I give my address it is the house number plus the named street. I don't have a direction attached to it.
You don't live in the SL Valley though!
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Old 05-26-2014, 12:33 PM
 
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You don't live in the SL Valley though!
I DON'T?!? *GASP* When did that happen and why I am always the last to know?! Uh, even when I did live in the SL Valley, I had a home that did have a street name and my house number did not have a direction attached to it.
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Old 05-27-2014, 12:18 AM
 
Location: Central City, SLC
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I DON'T?!? *GASP* When did that happen and why I am always the last to know?! Uh, even when I did live in the SL Valley, I had a home that did have a street name and my house number did not have a direction attached to it.
Uh... yes, it did.

Since 1972 (and in most areas since 1947), Salt Lake County Public Works's Addressing Division has required that EVERY frontage number (aka "house number") in SLCo have a directional associated with it. Subdivision developers are required to use them when platting, and the property's official address MUST include it.

See "Address Format" under section 2.0, as well as section 3.1.5.1 ("All addresses must absolutely include the first four components [Frontage Number, Directional, Street Name, Street Type].") and section 3.2 ("All components of the address must be conscientiously used or the address is considered incomplete."), particularly example 3.1.2.a, of SLCo's Addressing Standards.

It's actually a statewide rule but it's up to local communities to enforce it, and areas outside SLCo (like Stansbury) may not enforce as strictly (or at all). But Salt Lake County does enforce it, and has for over 40 years.

So... *GASP* ... I guess that when you DID live in the SL Valley, you didn't use your complete, real address! Indeed, why are you always the last to know?!
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Old 05-27-2014, 07:14 AM
 
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Uh No it didn't. I lived there and I am preeeetttty damn sure it didn't. I am NOT disputing the fact that it might have had one at one time, but I NEVER gave it out when I gave my address, AND it wasn't on my closing papers.
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Old 05-27-2014, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Central City, SLC
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Uh No it didn't. I lived there and I am preeeetttty damn sure it didn't. I am NOT disputing the fact that it might have had one at one time, but I NEVER gave it out when I gave my address, AND it wasn't on my closing papers.
Your mortgage lender's addressing error has no bearing, and neither does your lack of use/lack of knowledge about the address. Your official address in SLCo has a directional associated with the frontage number, period. There are no residential addresses in SLCo that do not have a directional (and there are only a handful of commercial that do not have one---they're suites in malls, like Tabula Rasa's address of "330 Trolley Square").

A frontage number without a directional is an incomplete address in Salt Lake County. Your deed doesn't reference an address, but instead uses the surveyor's property description and the recorder's parcel number. If a county agency receives a document with an incomplete address (like without a frontage directional), they just add it and move on. But the directional is definitely present in the transaction and in any official government reference to the property.

If you want to DM me with the address or parcel number, I'll screen capture the property record and show you the official address of record, with directional. Because I am preeeeeetttty damn sure your house wasn't an exception to longstanding (and current) addressing policy. If it was, then it was a human-error typo and all your neighbors had a directional associated with their frontage numbers.

You can also look up the address at the USPS, which is a pretty decent secondary source. The official post office address is usually correct and matches the SLCo official address, but I've seen a handful of exceptions to that over the years.
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