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Old 07-20-2014, 03:29 AM
 
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Urban means high density development, and most homes in the Liberty park area are detached single family homes on their own (albeit smaller than average for UT) lots. That is the very definition of suburban.
Hahahaha!!! If Liberty Park is suburban, what's Sugarhouse? Exurban?
CCSLC is right. Just because there are single family homes doesn't mean it's not urban!
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Old 07-24-2014, 12:44 PM
 
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It might refer to the so-called 'mother-in-law apartment' that is part of the property. It seems to be an accepted term around here (everywhere?). I must say that I and my wife found it offensive...
How do you find this offensive? It's not a Utah thing, watch HGTV and the term "Mother in law apartment" is used commonly. Were you joking?
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Old 07-24-2014, 03:03 PM
 
Location: SLC
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How do you find this offensive? It's not a Utah thing, watch HGTV and the term "Mother in law apartment" is used commonly. Were you joking?
Not joking. Never said it was a Utah thing, and no - I do not watch HGTV or intend to. Anyway, if I have to explain - you are unlikely to appreciate it...
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Old 07-25-2014, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit
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Urban, suburban, rural.. they are all very relative and have no hard and fast definitions. To a person living in Lyndyll, Utah, Delta might be the urban center while Hinckley and Deseret are suburbs and you live in the rural area. Meanwhile I consider all of those rural, because urban is the 20 or so blocks in SLC with high-rises and suburbs are the housing tracts, while Tooele and Heber are exurbs. We'd say Delta is rural.

In my opinion most of the Salt Lake Valley is suburban (including Sugar House, Liberty Park and the Avenues after you get past the first few blocks of mostly condos/townhomes) but I can see how one would argue the Avenues and Liberty Park are not as you can get to downtown, without using a freeway. We have a few blocks of true urban living, but if you asked the farmer in Lyndyll they'd say it's all urban, from Springville to North Ogden.
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Old 07-25-2014, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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Hahahaha!!! If Liberty Park is suburban, what's Sugarhouse? Exurban?
CCSLC is right. Just because there are single family homes doesn't mean it's not urban!
You folks haven't been out of Utah much, I suppose. Utah has no concept of what "high density" really is...

Still, it's not worth the argument. If y'all wanna believe the Liberty Park neighborhood or Sugarhouse are trendy "urban" cores, go right ahead.
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Old 07-25-2014, 05:08 PM
 
Location: NSL, Utah
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How do you find this offensive? It's not a Utah thing, watch HGTV and the term "Mother in law apartment" is used commonly. Were you joking?
In the UK, they're termed 'granny annexes' - sounds nicer, anyway

As to urban, the US Census Bureau identifies two types of urban areas:

Urbanized Areas (UAs) of 50,000 or more people;
Urban Clusters (UCs) of at least 2,500 and less than 50,000 people.

“Rural” encompasses all population, housing, and territory not included within an urban area.
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Old 07-26-2014, 02:10 AM
 
Location: Central City, SLC
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You folks haven't been out of Utah much, I suppose. Utah has no concept of what "high density" really is...

Still, it's not worth the argument. If y'all wanna believe the Liberty Park neighborhood or Sugarhouse are trendy "urban" cores, go right ahead.
Actually I spent several years in Manhattan and I have a masters degree in urban planning. My thesis was on urban demography in Salt Lake County.

As I said before, even using your flawed definition based solely on density as a metric, there are areas of residential downtown Los Angeles (single family homes on smaller lots) that have population densities lower than the Liberty Park neighborhood. So if, using your own metric, downtown LA isn't urban, what the hell is?!

Still, if you want to stop discussing the accepted definitions inherent to an entire academic discipline because you obviously have no actual knowledge about them, go right ahead.

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Old 07-26-2014, 02:18 AM
 
Location: Central City, SLC
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We have a few blocks of true urban living, but if you asked the farmer in Lyndyll they'd say it's all urban, from Springville to North Ogden.
The farmer in Lyndyll is unlikely to be as clueless as you make him out to be. Even if you're from Lyndyll, you know Sandy is merely a suburb of Salt Lake City; you know Sandy has no airport, no rail hub, even no professional sports teams. You also know that in the big picture, Delta is rural, too.

There may be degrees of rural, suburban, and urban, but there are still distinct definitions of each, both academically and in real-world practice.
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Old 07-26-2014, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Mostly in my head
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Enough arguing. Back to topic, please.
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Old 07-28-2014, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit
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Sandy has ... no professional sports teams.
"If you believe then just stand up on your feet, and shout it loud: 'Real!'
Here at the Riot the battle hymn's begun. We're here for RSL."

I imagine the Major League soccer stadium built in Sandy increased home values in the vicinity. Actually I have no idea, do nearby things like that increase home values? In my neighborhood a bunch of new shopping just went up and a new movie theater too. Does that increase home values?
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