Is Salt Lake City really more dangerous than Los Angeles? (Taylorsville: 2015, crime rates)

[lookintomove15]

Originally Posted by Chango

Around the homeless shelter?

There's alot of violence that goes on around that shelter -

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[Chango]

Originally Posted by lookintomove15

Fresno County has a higher murder rate than does LA County.

Take a look.

Fresno County, Murders, per 100k people.
2013: 6.0
2012: 8.0
2011: 5.5
2010: 6.8
2009: 7.5

LA County, Murders, per 100k people.
2013: 5.4
2012: 6.0
2011: 5.7
2010: 6.3
2009: 7.1

Salt Lake City MSA, Murders, per 100k people.
2013: 1.8
2012: 2.2
2011: 2.1
2010: 2.9
2009: 1.9

If you wanted a more realistic comparison you should compare vs Salt Lake County, not just city.

[CCSLC]

Originally Posted by Chango

If you wanted a more realistic comparison you should compare vs Salt Lake County, not just city.

He pretty much did.

He used the Salt Lake City Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) murder rate, which is Salt Lake, Tooele, and Summit Counties. And since from 2006 to 2012, Tooele County had only 1 murder and Summit County had zero, the rates listed are essentially Salt Lake County's.

[mlb]

It's like comparing apples to oranges.

We moved here in 1990 from the San Fernando Valley (LA County)... We lived far out in the 'burbs (Chatsworth) and woke up every Monday morning to to the "body count" numbers on the news of gang-related deaths - mostly in East LA - but too close for comfort. And the police acted more like a military unit - there would be "suspects" roaming the neighborhoods and guess how they chased them? HELICOPTERS with beams - overhead our townhome. It was a veritable war zone.

There was a meme going around that you'd better be careful if you were in a traffic accident on the freeway - because you'd most likely become a victim of violence or robbery. And responses to traffic accidents were nil - because the police had more important work to do.

Yes, Salt Lake County has "grown up" and gotten bigger and with more people comes more activity.... but no where near the volume, intensity nor sophistication of crime of Los Angeles County. This is the bush league here - and there it has metastisized and morphed so much so that you suffer PTSD when you leave there.

[iansharris]

Although I have always felt safe in SLC and although this is just a guess, I would say this has to do with the sharp divide among more the typically safe and gentrified neighborhoods (Sugar House, Yalecrest, the Avenues, Rose Park), which are generally located in the northern and eastern parts of town. The more central and western areas (Glendale, Rio Grande, People's Freeway) are typically lower in income and much more diverse and geographically isolated by enormous freeways and wide roads from the aforementioned parts of Salt Lake City.

Also, most families and typical LDS Utahns in the area live in suburbs like Holladay, South Jordan, Draper, etc. Just about all suburbs contain generally these types of people; one exception would be West Valley City, bless its heart. Most residents of the Salt Lake Metro Area do not live in Salt Lake City itself, whereas Los Angeles is a massive city with nearly four million residents, a huge swath of total population in Southern California. The total SLC area is extraordinarily safe in just about all respects, I have found.

However, all of this is from an outsider's perspective so please correct me if I'm wrong in any way, these are just my two observations.

[Geo-Aggie]

Originally Posted by iansharris

Although I have always felt safe in SLC and although this is just a guess, I would say this has to do with the sharp divide among more the typically safe and gentrified neighborhoods (Sugar House, Yalecrest, the Avenues, Rose Park), which are generally located in the northern and eastern parts of town. The more central and western areas (Glendale, Rio Grande, People's Freeway) are typically lower in income and much more diverse and geographically isolated by enormous freeways and wide roads from the aforementioned parts of Salt Lake City.

Also, most families and typical LDS Utahns in the area live in suburbs like Holladay, South Jordan, Draper, etc. Just about all suburbs contain generally these types of people; one exception would be West Valley City, bless its heart. Most residents of the Salt Lake Metro Area do not live in Salt Lake City itself, whereas Los Angeles is a massive city with nearly four million residents, a huge swath of total population in Southern California. The total SLC area is extraordinarily safe in just about all respects, I have found.

However, all of this is from an outsider's perspective so please correct me if I'm wrong in any way, these are just my two observations.

Yeh, that durn drug lerd infested ghertto of West Valley City, bless its cold, black, evil heart. I think the totally accurate thing to do would be to call out the "nice" parts of Salt Lake (and pretend Rose Park is among these for some.. strange, bizarre reason..) and then contrast them with the ugly parts, but then just lump all of West Valley City into one, because it's only the second biggest city in the state and cities only vary from place to place if they're Salt Lake City.

And this part totally looks like Redwood Road. Man, I'd hate to live here... No families, just drugs and gangs (which are code word in WVC for rivers and tree lined roads).




Edit: Sorry for the sarcasm. I understand you admit yourself that you're an outsider, but try not to lump my reasonably nice West Valley neighborhood into being the same as living off 3500 South and Redwood Road, since that's like saying Glendale and the Avenues are basically one in the same because they're both called Salt Lake City.

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by iansharris

Also, most families and typical LDS Utahns in the area live in suburbs like Holladay, South Jordan, Draper, etc. Just about all suburbs contain generally these types of people; one exception would be West Valley City, bless its heart.

Originally Posted by Geo-Aggie

Yeh, that durn drug lerd infested ghertto of West Valley City, bless its cold, black, evil heart.

I think you over-reacted here, Geo-Aggie. I can understand why you get defensive about West Valley City, since I think people are totally guilty of having some very negative stereotypes about the city -- based upon the area you specifically mentioned. But in all honesty, when I first read iansharris' post, my assumption was just that he was saying there's more diversity there than in the other suburbs he mentioned, and maybe that WVC just isn't as white-bread as the rest. Give the guy a break, okay?

[Geo-Aggie]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

Give the guy a break, okay?

You're right and I agree, that's why I included my edit below the picture, which says:

Originally Posted by Geo-Aggie

Edit: Sorry for the sarcasm. I understand you admit yourself that you're an outsider, but try not to lump my reasonably nice West Valley neighborhood into being the same as living off 3500 South and Redwood Road, since that's like saying Glendale and the Avenues are basically one in the same because they're both called Salt Lake City.

But really, it's an inaccurate assumption that I get to deal with pretty much any time someone asks where I live. Someone's gotta help change the false perception. Just ask that guy who was talking up Ogden a couple weeks ago. I felt empathetic to his cause

[iansharris]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

I think you over-reacted here, Geo-Aggie. I can understand why you get defensive about West Valley City, since I think people are totally guilty of having some very negative stereotypes about the city -- based upon the area you specifically mentioned. But in all honesty, when I first read iansharris' post, my assumption was just that he was saying there's more diversity there than in the other suburbs he mentioned, and maybe that WVC just isn't as white-bread as the rest. Give the guy a break, okay?

Thank you, this is what I meant, and I understand and apologize, Geo-Aggie, I understand that West Valley is the second largest city in Utah and I made a hasty generalization.

But speaking in terms of Salt Lake City, what I meant was that there are multiple neighborhoods that could be considered dangerous, and that these might skew the crime reports for an otherwise safe and beautiful city. Also, in terms of Rose Park, from what I have read, it is becoming more and more desirable. However, this could simply be local(s) trying to promote their neighborhood. To be honest, I have never been to Rose Park in particular, I'm just hypothesizing.

Again, Salt Lake is a gorgeous place, and the areas that most people actually consider part of Salt Lake City (again, Sugar House, The Avenues) are typically safe and neat. What I mean is that I think that most people generalize "Salt Lake City" as being east of I-15 and kind of disregard Glendale or Rose Park, for that matter, areas that may have serious problems when it comes to crime. You may consider me un-knowledgeable since I myself live down in St. George, but I often travel up to Salt Lake City proper numerous times each year; I love it up there. This is just what I have seen and experienced.

[Geo-Aggie]

Originally Posted by iansharris

But speaking in terms of Salt Lake City, what I meant was that there are multiple neighborhoods that could be considered dangerous, and that these might skew the crime reports for an otherwise safe and beautiful city...

I agree that this is certainly part of the issue of why SLC has an inflated crime rate. Lumping The Avenues in with Poplar Grove would be silly. The counter point I was trying to make to your previous post is that the same thing happens in WVC and you maybe sort of did that and I maybe sort of got overly defensive about that (sorry). Thinking Hunter is dangerous because Chesterfield is a bad part of town is like saying Sugar House is dangerous because Glendale is a bad part of town. This all leads to people asking questions like "Is SLC more dangerous than LA? When in reality LA has good parts and bad parts too. Harvard Park is a pretty bad area to be, day or night. Brentwood though? Nah. Great area, day or night!

But it's fine, sorry I got all internet-warrior on you.