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Old 03-16-2008, 07:08 PM
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Utah has its deserty areas, definitely. It won't be as green as what you're used to, and you will definitely notice the very dry air. You'll use lots more lotion and chapstick. The good news is, that means in the summer when you go into the shade, it's actually cooler! The mountains are beautiful along the Wasatch Front, though, so it's not like you'll be living in a desert.
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Old 03-18-2008, 12:53 PM
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I personally love the city itself - Sugar House and the Avenues neighborhoods are well-mixed. The dating problem is not going to be racial, it is going to be LDS/non-LDS. I have no children here but many friends who told me that one of their children converted in high school, mainly to have friends. The Scouting program is run by the LDS local congregations and I have heard that some non-LDS children felt uncomfortable. There are plenty of public indoor pools, open year-round, with tumbling activities for the little ones. They also ahve classes for older, motion-impaired people to exercise (something I had not found elsewhere). Although I have never personally felt slighted by anyone, they do have a habit of talkiign about you behind your face.
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Old 03-24-2008, 01:20 PM
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Default Desert Blooms like a Rose

I live in West Jordan. I love to garden -- mostly flowers -- my husband is in charge of veggies. There weren't many trees here in the valley 150 years ago. But a concerted effort to plant and make this desert bloom has had a really positive outcome. It will probably seem sparse to you, coming from the east, but the mountain views will more than make up for it. You will be able to keep your kitchen garden -- maybe just have to make a few adjustments. We can grow watermelon, cantaloupe, raspberries, etc. No blueberries as our soil is not acidic enough. You can contact the county extension office for more gardening info. The weather here during the summer is very dry as we have very little humidity. I would suggest in your house hunting that you look for homes with central air as opposed to swamp coolers. Happy House Hunting!
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Old 03-24-2008, 01:33 PM
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Default Dating Info

You sound like an involved, caring parent in regards to the dating issue. The LDS have a rule that their youth don't date one-on-one until they are 16. Group "hanging out" activities do happen prior to 16. You may run into some LDS that are very strict about their LDS kids not dating non-LDS kids. I hope my children are looking more at the kind of person someone is and not just their religious affiliation. We enjoyed more diversity (in terms of non-LDS friends) when we lived in Idaho; but my children have friends here who are not LDS and they are a great part of our lives. If one of them invited my child to an activity at their church, I would certainly love for them to attend. I think some of the bias you might see or hear about regarding LDS vs. non-LDS comes from the LDS not having as many opportunities for exposure to other religious activites here in SLC. Hopefully, it's not being rude or unfriendly intentionally -- just a lack of religious good manners!
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Old 03-26-2008, 09:35 AM
Location: southwestern PA
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Thank you. I think if we do get this promotion we will find a comfortable place in Utah without too much difficulty, especially if we try to focus our sights on areas within close proximity to one of the Lutheran Churches in the area. With the amount of ammenties to be had--pools, gymnastics, dance classes, soccer, libraries, etc.--we shouldn't want for recreation, and with my husband no longer often away on assignment or working nights we should find an increase in our family time. The girls have already expressed interest in learning to snowboard, and hiking (along with photgraphy) has long been an interest of mine which the girls seem to be finding equally enjoyable.

As far as outside friends, we'll find what we find as always. Here, most of the kids are in child care or after school care during the school year and summer "day camp" child care during the summer. I am one of the few stay at home mom's in this area. With few children actually around much, we often have to find our own social activities and make our own fun. Do people here talk behind my back? Undoubtably! I am a maverick, not following the status quo by pulling my daughters out of the local public school instead of simply accepting the hour long commute. If some people there find us less acceptable because we are Lutheran, or cyber-schoolers, or a transracial adoptive family, so be it. We are who we are.

As to the dating issue, my twins are still many months from the tenth birthday and my youngest just turned seven today. We waited a long time for our family, struggling many years with infertility, fostering several children in hopes of adopting only to have those hopes dashed again and again, watching our friends and family have children only to be reminded of our own inability, when suddenly, almost miraculously, Cherylyn and Victoria's birthmother contacted us, choose us, and the twins were born six weeks early, all within the space of four days. We were at the hospital with them two days later and stayed until they were discharged to our care. Then somehow, even though every fertility specialist we'd seen through the years had informed us that our chances of conceiving were less than 5%, our Sara came into being on Cherylyn and Victoria's second birthday (yes, I know that was the day it happened) and was born the following spring. Those little girls are my world and I would protect them with my own life. I probably am somewhat over-protective of them, but I want them to have the educational opportunities I didn't. I don't want them to become so pressured by their peers that they lose sight of who they are and who they could become. I've already seen the beginnings of that here, when my then eight year old daughters begged for pierced earrings, high heeled shoes, and bras because "all the other second grade girls had them." Then we started hearing the "p" word--popular--who is and who isn't! Dating can wait until they are strong enough to withstand such peer pressure and have some understanding of who they are.

I'm glad we won't have to give up our kitchen garden. Caring for and harvesting what we grow is something we all enjoy. The girls especially love to grow tomatoes. They eat the little cherry tomatoes like candy and slices of tomato with their meals all summer long. They tell me that the ones from the store just don't have the same flavor. We've also had great success with other fruits and veggies, to the delight of the girls.
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Old 03-26-2008, 12:59 PM
Location: Utah
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Some LDS families don't allow their children to play on Sunday's. And Monday evenings are a time for family togetherness. Other than those two stipulations, I think your daughters will have a lot of playmates and many activities to choose from. I am not LDS but grew up in a very LDS community. Some of my lifelong friends are LDS. We respect each others differences and share our lives making memories along the way. I hope you and your family love it here. Remember you'll need lots of lotion and chapstick, and conditioner for your hair.
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Old 03-26-2008, 10:59 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Originally Posted by Shirleycurlytop View Post
I'd never really thought about Utah being deserty. Is it really? Although we were at the Beach (VAB) for awhile, most of my experience is with southern PA. I'm used to the climate and the people here and know that this move will be an adjustment, as much for me as for the girls. I can scarcely imagine an area without Mennonite or Amish families, where I actually have to search for a Lutheran church, and where the climate might prove a challenge in keeping my kitchen garden.
Yes, Utah is desert. It will be quite a change for you. I am from western PA and even Colorado was a change for me. You do get used to it, however, and come to like the climate for what it is: dry. The lack of humidity is wonderful. I would suggest going to the library or book store and getting some books with some pictures of Utah. Your family could look at them together.
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Old 04-04-2008, 12:16 PM
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Default Bountiful looks nice, but

I am from back East. I thought Bountiful looked like a great place to live. My husband is from The Avenues in Salt Lake City. He said I wouldn't be happy in Bountiful. A few years ago, a friend and her husband bought a home in Bountiful. She now has her home for sale because she's been unable to make any friends at all there. She is not LDS and Bountiful definitely is LDS. She is a beautiful woman inside and out and has made friends all over the world with her Navy Chief husband, but Bountiful is her Waterloo!
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Old 04-04-2008, 01:31 PM
Location: Pflugerville, TX
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Default Master Planned Community

I'm not sure if you are interested in a master planned community or not, but one of our clients is building a new one in Heber City which is about 40 minutes outside of Salt Lake City and right by Park City. Real estate in the area is pricey, but pretty reasonable when you consider the current housing crunch. Also, recent data is showing that housing appreciation is number 1 in Utah, so it can turn into a great home for the future.

You can take a look at the website. RedLedges.com

It has a Jack Nicklaus golf course, Cliff Drysdale tennis academy and an equestrian center.

Hope maybe it helps!

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Old 04-04-2008, 08:14 PM
Location: southwestern PA
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Thank you for all of your input. We still haven't heard anything regarding the promotion, positive or negative. If we do end up getting it, I'm sure we will try to find someplace within a few blocks of one of the area Lutheran Churches. I'm not a particularly outgoing person and generally keep to myself, but I do enjoy the company of other Church members. I suppose that makes me a bit of a homebody. Though unlike my mother and grandmother before me I can drive, I've only had my license for about five years and am not especially comfortable behind the wheel. I much prefer to walk or bike whenever I can. That's something which is not possible here, and when I mention that I don't really like to drive people tend to look at me like I've suddenly grown a second head. It would also mean a lot to us to have the girls' Daddy around more in the evenings and during the weekends, and to not have to lose him every few weeks or so to yet another week long business trip. It's frustrating for him and hard on the girls. Frankly, it doesn't do much for me either. A telephone call in the evening doesn't take his place, nor alleviate the uncomfortable feeling of not having my family all together safe and sound under one roof. Anyway, I guess we'll know something one way or the other soon.
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