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Old 05-30-2008, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Mostly in my head
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My experience has been that more educated people don't ask, don't discriminate but less educated ones do. Guess they don't read wht their late church president had to say about how to treat us! And it DOES say something about the social climate here that the head of the LDS church had to publicly address this issue. It was reported in the papers and on TV.
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Old 06-02-2008, 08:19 PM
 
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Default Middle aged woman moving to SLC

Where would you suggest I move - (non Morman) I am looking for a condo - safe area, close to Murray, am thinking downtown, but a lot of people on this list are negative about Sugarhouse.
Any advice would be appreciated.
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Old 06-02-2008, 09:52 PM
 
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Lidala, first off, it doesnt appear like anyone has helped you yet. I have lived in Utah for over a year. I am not mormon, but I am a believer in Christ. Please know there is most definetly a difference. I transitioned here from the east coast. First things first... as far as living is concerned. Stay away from Orem, or Leigh. The best areas i can recommend are Sugarhouse, Murray, Sandy, or Draper. Stay on the east side of I15. As far as price of living is concerned. Sugarhouse is the most expensive out of the 4. All the towns I mentioned are very nice, lots of parks, and shopping. family focused areas.
NOW.... as far as the exposure to the mormon culture... Best advice I can give you is always assume everyone is mormon. Second they are extremely territorial. From my experience they were not raised with the skill of socializaton. I have never met so many inconsiderate, ill mannered, and irresponsible people in my life. They cannot take care of their children. Cant tell you how many times I see three year olds playing in the street without supervision. The town as a whole is poorly educated. Bottom line in this state.. as a "non Mormon" you will be judged. It's such a shame too. Utah is a beautiful state with so much to offer. Price of living is reasonable, and the weather is beautiful for the most part. This organization has taken control of so much land, and the minds of their flock. My best advice is to stay away for your kids sake. They will not receive a good education period. The friends they develop over the years will leave them eventually. I wish you all the best....
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Old 06-03-2008, 01:49 AM
 
Location: Midvale, Utah
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If morman children are treating non morman children poorly then they are not living the true meaning of the gospel. Mormons are taught to love one another and not judge one another.
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Old 06-03-2008, 10:23 AM
 
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Lidala, first off, it doesnt appear like anyone has helped you yet. I have lived in Utah for over a year. I am not mormon, but I am a believer in Christ. Please know there is most definetly a difference. I transitioned here from the east coast. First things first... as far as living is concerned. Stay away from Orem, or Leigh. The best areas i can recommend are Sugarhouse, Murray, Sandy, or Draper. Stay on the east side of I15. As far as price of living is concerned. Sugarhouse is the most expensive out of the 4. All the towns I mentioned are very nice, lots of parks, and shopping. family focused areas.
NOW.... as far as the exposure to the mormon culture... Best advice I can give you is always assume everyone is mormon. Second they are extremely territorial. From my experience they were not raised with the skill of socializaton. I have never met so many inconsiderate, ill mannered, and irresponsible people in my life. They cannot take care of their children. Cant tell you how many times I see three year olds playing in the street without supervision. The town as a whole is poorly educated. Bottom line in this state.. as a "non Mormon" you will be judged. It's such a shame too. Utah is a beautiful state with so much to offer. Price of living is reasonable, and the weather is beautiful for the most part. This organization has taken control of so much land, and the minds of their flock. My best advice is to stay away for your kids sake. They will not receive a good education period. The friends they develop over the years will leave them eventually. I wish you all the best....

You're a believer in Christ, some advice then...stop making such sweeping generalizations and stop your judgemental attitude.
Hey...has noone never suggested maybe yous and your kind should move? Cause us red necked, poorly educated mormons like ours Utah and don't want no part in those who ain't of our "flock"
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Old 06-03-2008, 02:28 PM
 
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Lidala, first off, it doesnt appear like anyone has helped you yet. I have lived in Utah for over a year. I am not mormon, but I am a believer in Christ. Please know there is most definetly a difference. I transitioned here from the east coast. First things first... as far as living is concerned. Stay away from Orem, or Leigh. The best areas i can recommend are Sugarhouse, Murray, Sandy, or Draper. Stay on the east side of I15. As far as price of living is concerned. Sugarhouse is the most expensive out of the 4. All the towns I mentioned are very nice, lots of parks, and shopping. family focused areas.
NOW.... as far as the exposure to the mormon culture... Best advice I can give you is always assume everyone is mormon. Second they are extremely territorial. From my experience they were not raised with the skill of socializaton. I have never met so many inconsiderate, ill mannered, and irresponsible people in my life. They cannot take care of their children. Cant tell you how many times I see three year olds playing in the street without supervision. The town as a whole is poorly educated. Bottom line in this state.. as a "non Mormon" you will be judged. It's such a shame too. Utah is a beautiful state with so much to offer. Price of living is reasonable, and the weather is beautiful for the most part. This organization has taken control of so much land, and the minds of their flock. My best advice is to stay away for your kids sake. They will not receive a good education period. The friends they develop over the years will leave them eventually. I wish you all the best....

May we ask were in Utah you live?
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Old 06-04-2008, 12:27 PM
 
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You need to come have a cocktail with me and relax............... Your views are way off from reality.


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Lidala, first off, it doesnt appear like anyone has helped you yet. I have lived in Utah for over a year. I am not mormon, but I am a believer in Christ. Please know there is most definetly a difference. I transitioned here from the east coast. First things first... as far as living is concerned. Stay away from Orem, or Leigh. The best areas i can recommend are Sugarhouse, Murray, Sandy, or Draper. Stay on the east side of I15. As far as price of living is concerned. Sugarhouse is the most expensive out of the 4. All the towns I mentioned are very nice, lots of parks, and shopping. family focused areas.
NOW.... as far as the exposure to the mormon culture... Best advice I can give you is always assume everyone is mormon. Second they are extremely territorial. From my experience they were not raised with the skill of socializaton. I have never met so many inconsiderate, ill mannered, and irresponsible people in my life. They cannot take care of their children. Cant tell you how many times I see three year olds playing in the street without supervision. The town as a whole is poorly educated. Bottom line in this state.. as a "non Mormon" you will be judged. It's such a shame too. Utah is a beautiful state with so much to offer. Price of living is reasonable, and the weather is beautiful for the most part. This organization has taken control of so much land, and the minds of their flock. My best advice is to stay away for your kids sake. They will not receive a good education period. The friends they develop over the years will leave them eventually. I wish you all the best....
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Old 06-04-2008, 04:43 PM
 
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I've lived in Sugar House, just north of the park, for 7 yrs and love it. Sugar House is a GREAT area, don't listen to nay-sayers.
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Old 06-04-2008, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Cedar City, Utah
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May we ask were in Utah you live?
Exactly because I have never known that to happen and I have lived in 4 different cities in Utah.
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Old 06-23-2008, 12:44 PM
 
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Wow...Toomer, I'm not sure if I should be amused or offended by your comments. I just relocated back to SLC (Murray) after 15 years of living in various cities around the US.

I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that "they" (mormons) aren't "raised with the skill of socialization" or how the "town as a whole is poorly educated"

How do you quantify "skill of sociliaztion"? Sure, I'm LDS, so perhaps my opinion is biased...or perhaps I'm poorly educated...however, your comments make no sense to me. When you start using terms like "they" to refer to a large portion of the population, you are using poor social skills and reflect your poor education.

Are some Mormons not too good at socializing with non-Mormons? Sure....are there some poorly educated non-Mormons? Sure...who cares. Mormons, like any other group...Black, Hispanic, Catholic, Gay, yadda yadda yadda, are not some homogenous group where the actions of one reflect the actions of all. If you could learn to judge the others based on the content of their character rather than the church they go to...the world may look a little better to you.
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