10-04-2008, 09:06 PM
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Need some help again. In regards to purchasing a condo or townhome that has a HOA in Utah, I heard that we only own 0.01 arches when it comes to owning the land portion and per what I have heard, this basically means that this really is just a corner of a living room….*confused..*
‘If’we don't own anything in regards to the land portion, then who does? The HOA or the builder? In case of an earthquake or whatever reason the building goes down, will the 'real' land owners, whoever that is get to take away the land and rebuild something else and hence we wouldn't not own anything at all if the building is gone? Can I rebuild my condo unit in case the building is gone in these situations? I would think the HOA would need to get involved....? so sorry for our inexperienced questions. Anyone had similar questions who lives in a townhome/condo?
Second question is, I heard that 20% of whatever percentage of homeowners that are allowed to rent out their units only applies to those who purchased the units as an investment property. What if I live here for 2-5 years and move out, rent it out, would that be a ok? I know different HOA is different, but was wondering if you have any similar experience in general to share. Thanks for sharing.
10-06-2008, 05:55 PM
Location: West Jordan, UT
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Need some help again. In regards to purchasing a condo or townhome that has a HOA in Utah, I heard that we only own 0.01 arches when it comes to owning the land portion and per what I have heard, this basically means that this really is just a corner of a living room….*confused..*
‘If’we don't own anything in regards to the land portion, then who does? The HOA or the builder? In case of an earthquake or whatever reason the building goes down, will the 'real' land owners, whoever that is get to take away the land and rebuild something else and hence we wouldn't not own anything at all if the building is gone? Can I rebuild my condo unit in case the building is gone in these situations? I would think the HOA would need to get involved....? so sorry for our inexperienced questions. Anyone had similar questions who lives in a townhome/condo?
Second question is, I heard that 20% of whatever percentage of homeowners that are allowed to rent out their units only applies to those who purchased the units as an investment property. What if I live here for 2-5 years and move out, rent it out, would that be a ok? I know different HOA is different, but was wondering if you have any similar experience in general to share. Thanks for sharing.
1. You don't "own" the land. You own a fractional portion of the common area (which includes the land). For example, if there are 200 units in your condo development, you own 1/200th of the condo common area (land, clubhouse, sidewalks, driveways, etc). You own an undivided percentage - that is, you can't specify what part of the condo common area you want to own. The homeowner's association technically "owns" the land, and you "own" a portion of the homeowner's association.
2. What you own is the inside of your condo (or townhouse, etc). Typically, the HOA owns the area outside of the inner walls (such as the exterior, roof, etc). You are also responsible for electrical/plumbing that only serves your unit.
2. The CC&R's (Condo Covenants & Restrictions) dictate what you will do in case the building needs to be rebuilt. Most of the time, they will rebuild unless it isn't cost feasible. The HOA has insurance in the case of fire. If you want to see what CC&R's typically look like, go to
Rules & Regulations . It's a townhome community that I'm familiar with in West Jordan (no, I didn't live there). Towards the bottom of the page is a link to their CC&R's. The website also gives a good description of what a condominium association is and what they do.
3. The CC&R's or management rules will dictate how many units can be rented out. It all depends on the HOA. Most HOAs try to limit rentals as much as possible. Also, if there are too many rentals, it gets difficult getting an FHA loan. The rental number or percentage is not set in stone - it can be changed by the HOA. It's hard to answer whether you'll be OK living there a few years and then renting it out - it depends on what your HOA decides to do. As you may have noticed, I moved to Las Vegas, and decided to sell my condo unit rather than rent it out. HOA's in general don't like rental units, and more heavily enforce the rules for rented units.
Let me know what other questions you have!
10-06-2008, 06:28 PM
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Kwm03160 gave a great explanation. You really have to read the CC&Rs b/c some smaller townhomes might be set up a little differently and you would own the land under your townhome and part of the common areas. You might be restricted in fence height for the patio or type of fence to be used or what landscaping you can do to your individual unit or what outdoor decorations you can or must put up. I know someone in Calif. who HAS to put out the candellaria just like everyone else. It really pays to check things out!
10-06-2008, 10:26 PM
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kwm03160, didn't know you moved, are your family all in SLC? what made you move, job? thanks.
10-07-2008, 07:41 PM
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I have some family in Salt Lake, but I was looking for something a little more liberal. I have a job where I can live wherever I want, as long as it has a good airport. With the Vegas real estate market being in the dumps, I was finally able to afford a home instead of a townhome/condo. So far, I'm happy. Who knows? I may end up moving back someday.
10-07-2008, 09:15 PM
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I was finally able to afford a home instead of a townhome/condo. So far, I'm happy. Who knows? I may end up moving back someday.
is that the bad townhome purchase experience you were talking about (not using a realtor) from the other forum subject? so sorry to hear about that....I'm trying to go for a short sale property, the sell agent told me if I don’t bring in a agent, I could save 3% of the sale price, if I do bring in one, there’s no bargaining space on the price, the bank will only take the listing price. I had my realtor dad in Hawaii speak to her and even he says it might be ok to not bring in an agent, but I read your experience and others, it still seems to be a bad idea….any comments on this? By the way, this realtor is related to the short sale property seller. My dad said that the title search is done by the same title company in Utah, the place will be sold as is due to the short sale, and the price is set by the bank, so there’s basically nothing to bargain about. the agent contract states that if bring in my own home inspector, so she really can’t hide anything. And if she doesn’t follow the contract which she’ll be prepping for me, isn’t she going to ruin her own rep? My dad will look over our contract on the side for me, even though he’s a realtor in Hawaii…any other drawbacks on not bringing in a buyer’s agent, what can they do differently other than looking over the contract? I assume they can be like a police officer and watch over the process to make sure and see if the seller is following the contract accordingly? Thanks for helping.
10-08-2008, 07:15 PM
Location: West Jordan, UT
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is that the bad townhome purchase experience you were talking about (not using a realtor) from the other forum subject? so sorry to hear about that....I'm trying to go for a short sale property, the sell agent told me if I don’t bring in a agent, I could save 3% of the sale price, if I do bring in one, there’s no bargaining space on the price, the bank will only take the listing price. I had my realtor dad in Hawaii speak to her and even he says it might be ok to not bring in an agent, but I read your experience and others, it still seems to be a bad idea….any comments on this? By the way, this realtor is related to the short sale property seller. My dad said that the title search is done by the same title company in Utah, the place will be sold as is due to the short sale, and the price is set by the bank, so there’s basically nothing to bargain about. the agent contract states that if bring in my own home inspector, so she really can’t hide anything. And if she doesn’t follow the contract which she’ll be prepping for me, isn’t she going to ruin her own rep? My dad will look over our contract on the side for me, even though he’s a realtor in Hawaii…any other drawbacks on not bringing in a buyer’s agent, what can they do differently other than looking over the contract? I assume they can be like a police officer and watch over the process to make sure and see if the seller is following the contract accordingly? Thanks for helping.
You'll be OK if you have done your research and don't believe anything they tell you... Always research what they say yourself. Make sure you get EVERYTHING in writing. It's a good idea to have your own home inspection done, even though the bank probably has also had one done.
My problem is that I'm not very good at negotiating and would rather just pay a fair price. It sounds like that since the bank names the price, you don't have much wiggle room anyway.
Good luck on finding your short sale! There are TONS of them out there right now.
10-11-2008, 10:38 AM
Location: Utah
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I live in a townhouse with an HOA, which I love. It keeps home values up. We own our lot. The front, backyard, and what the house sits on. I can't imagine not owning that. As for the common grounds, we just have rights to use the common areas and we all vote about what happens to them.
10-11-2008, 11:05 AM
Location: South Jordan UT aka Snobsville
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I never heard of not owning the land your house sits except a condo...of course here people call townhomes condos which i will never understand
10-11-2008, 05:39 PM
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I live in a townhouse with an HOA, which I love. It keeps home values up.
why would a HOA keep up the home value? thanks.
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People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)