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Old 02-02-2011, 09:25 AM
 
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that's how its done everywhere
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Old 02-02-2011, 09:29 AM
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Location: San Antonio
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It costs money to run for city council. AFAIK, most of that money for well-funded candidates comes from lobbyists and businesses.

Like I said above, this case is a byproduct of term limits.
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Old 02-02-2011, 11:01 AM
 
Location: New Braunfels, TX
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Sorry, Bo - I strongly disagree. I can remember LOTS of times when council members have been corrupt back in the days before term limits. Difference being, they were able to keep their seats because they couldn't be turned out unless the voters had enough - and the political machines these folks set up were world-class in that regard.
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Old 02-02-2011, 11:50 AM
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Sorry, Bo - I strongly disagree. I can remember LOTS of times when council members have been corrupt back in the days before term limits. Difference being, they were able to keep their seats because they couldn't be turned out unless the voters had enough - and the political machines these folks set up were world-class in that regard.
I don't think we disagree as much as you think.

My point, which was probably explained with too few words, was that this particular councilwoman made rookie mistakes that may or may not have crossed legal lines. She's a rookie because her predecessor was term limited out of office. A more experienced pol would have known better.

I don't see tight term limits or the removal of them as a way of eliminating corruption. The machines you mentioned are still electing people, they're just electing a bigger variety of people. Unfortunately, that variety doesn't always seem to include people who instinctively pay scrupulous attention to following the law.
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Old 02-02-2011, 01:03 PM
 
Location: New Braunfels, TX
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Bo, you and I both know the lines between right and wrong - and so do they. They are given specific instructions on "conflict of interest", and a paid city attorney is available to them at any time for consultation. I've served in a number of capacities for various groups and organizations, and ALWAYS worked to go the "extra mile" to be sure that there were no lines crossed. In her case, it's obvious that she didn't worry about those lines, IMO.
And without term limits, we get folks even more adept at circumventing the law. Gimme the amatuers!
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Old 02-02-2011, 01:19 PM
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Isn't Ms.Ramos an attorney herself who majored in political science in college? How could she not know this was at best unethical, if not illegal? I think more interesting is the outcome of her "arranging" for $18,000 to go to her friends catering business. Has there been an outcome on that?

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Old 02-03-2011, 01:10 AM
 
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The complaint that brought this to light was filed by the sister of an opposing candidate.
Liz Campos seems to be slamming Jennifer Ramos on her FB page over this and for a housekeeping contract awarded to Jennifer Ramos' mother. It looks like District 3 is going to have a mud slinging type contest which is sort of sad. We don't really need those kind of dirty politics here. As someone living in this district my vote for city councilperson will go to the candidate that runs a clean campaign or I won't vote at all.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Elizab...80064142014098
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Old 02-03-2011, 06:48 AM
 
Location: New Braunfels, TX
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Merovee, don't do that - no matter what, vote for the person you think best can represent you, or find another candidate. If nothing else, vote for the one that you feel will be the least destructive. Refusing to vote benefits no one except the worst candidate!! If the choice you're forced to make is so bad, be looking about to find (and support) a viable candidate for the next election cycle, but be SURE to vote in this one as well.
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Old 02-03-2011, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles California
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Liz Campos seems to be slamming Jennifer Ramos on her FB page over this and for a housekeeping contract awarded to Jennifer Ramos' mother. It looks like District 3 is going to have a mud slinging type contest which is sort of sad. We don't really need those kind of dirty politics here. As someone living in this district my vote for city councilperson will go to the candidate that runs a clean campaign or I won't vote at all.

Elizabeth "Liz" Campos for City Council District 3 | Facebook
I guess that you haven't voted in the last few Presidential elections either?
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Old 02-04-2011, 01:03 PM
 
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Could there be corruption in the City Council?
Does a woodchuck chuck wood?
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