A Simple Poll - Do You Trust the San Antonio Police Department? (Selma: house, moving)
Please register to participate in our discussions with 1.5 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Maybe it is an unscientific poll on the public opinion of the police, but I would think of the people on this forum as neither members of the criminal class or wealthy.
I wouldn't have expected such a negative impression of the S.A. police depts. It makes me think of something my lawyer told me one time , "We all break the law sometimes, even I do. It might be just jaywalking, going over the speed limit , whatever." Maybe people do not want to deal with the consequences of minor infractions at all, and so resent the police.
This attorney- is libertarian in his stance- so we don't see things in the same light, but something else he said to me was "Everyone lies in court, even the police and you are naive if you believe otherwise." Sort of a broad statement it was but its' intent was clear.
He handled my divorce.
Scott has been a divorce and criminal attorney for over 30 years and is a Viet Nam combat veteran and a good and trusted friend on whom I can call anytime for advice.
Maybe I was naive at the time. It was a very long time ago.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul56
The only problem with your poll is the extremely low sampling rate considering the population of the area.
I can only base my own opinion on my personal experience and that of friends
who have reported to me their own personal experience.
Note that I don't count being blocked in by a cruiser as necessarily a bad experience and a reason to distrust the SAPD.
San Antonio Police Officer Roland Alvarado, who was arrested in February and resigned in May, after a second DWI stop He only got 3 days in jail when he was facing six months in jail. He was also involved another accident in which he was responding to a call and ran a red light, killing a citizen. The grand jury declined to indict him for that incident in that particular case.
Park Police Officer Scott Warren Little, who failed field sobriety and breathalyzer tests during Fiesta.
San Antonio firefighter Steven Alan Boldway Jr., who was arrested in April after hitting two police patrol cars and forcing the officers to jump over a center median barrier.
The reason I posted these is to highlight why some of us may not have trust in the police and others that are supposed to "protect and serve".
How are we supposed to trust the police to arrest drunks and others that break the law when some of them break the law themselves? They are held to a higher standard, so this type of behavior is unexcusable.
That's the exact reason I don't trust them to hold up their end of the deal with DUIs Matt. How can you trust someone to do anything about it when many of them obviously don't even see it as a problem.
How are we supposed to trust the police to arrest drunks and others that break the law when some of them break the law themselves? They are held to a higher standard, so this type of behavior is unexcusable.
That's a very broad brush you paint with, my friend. Don't know about you, but my profession has its' share of "bad apples" as well - many of whom get away with stuff all the time, including VERY light sentences. Look at the DUI arrestees that have been jailed 4,5 - heck, even EIGHT times - yet they're released yet again! Is it any wonder that cops become jaded?
Does that excuse them? Absolutely not! I've got a BIL that's served as an LEO for over 35 years now - and he's still an "ideal cop". My nephew has served for 10 years, and still fits that bill - as does my son, who is the "newbie" with only 3 years now. I'd be the first to jump their cases if they were out of line, and they know it.
My point is, there's going to be good and bad in ANY profession - but I'm going to say that without a doubt, the good LEO's far outnumber the bad in this area. Do they get a "blue line" mindset? Yes, they often do - but can you tell me what profession doesn't?
My wife is a retired teacher - and while I deeply respect the profession, I readily recognize there are bad apples - but I don't condemn the whole for the actions of a few.
I'm a stepfather - and the horror stories in THAT line are many - but I consider stepfathers to be unsung heroes of our society, because they devote the time and love to raise a child that was conceived by someone else, often with outstanding results.
Try pulling someone over on a traffic stop, and they will lie to you despite the fact that you KNOW they are guilty because you have them dead to rights, having witnessed first-hand their transgression.....and you want to know why cops act as they do? When you KNOW that as you break up the fight between the two kids, the chances are excellent that the parents of BOTH are going to complain about how you did so in some fashion or another.
Maybe THAT is why I so often am treated better than so many here claim to have been - when I'm pulled over, I don't try to lie or alibi my way out of it. I don't have the "who, me?" or "don't you have something better to do" attitude. I'm polite, respectful and appreciative of the job that they do day in and day out, knowing that they can lose everything on one bogus ethics/civil rights charge - and THOSE kinds of accusations come daily.
I understand someone wanting to get a ticket dismissed, especially in the climate of any excuse for raising insurance rates. I get the fact that when you call for a cop, you have to wait longer than you want to for response. But what no one knows (unless they've "been there" in one form or fashion) is that they are often backed up on calls, and they have to make judgement calls on which to respond to first. Little Johnny and Jimmy having a fist-fight outside of school doesn't begin to take the precedence of responding to a call where a wife/spouse has just had the tar beaten out of her/him, or a robbery/burglary in progress. The world doesn't revolve around our individual problems....
That's the exact reason I don't trust them to hold up their end of the deal with DUIs Matt. How can you trust someone to do anything about it when many of them obviously don't even see it as a problem.
Oh, please!!! Look at the arrest reports, then follow them up in the court system - the problem isn't in taking them off the streets - the problem is in KEEPING them off - and only the COURTS can do that!!!!
That's the exact reason I don't trust them to hold up their end of the deal with DUIs Matt. How can you trust someone to do anything about it when many of them obviously don't even see it as a problem.
Section in bold is there for clarification since the original may have been confusing to some...
Just look at todays Edward's political fiasco. These individual actions are no reason to distrust an entire organization.
No organization is all bad or all good, but for the job they have commited to do on a daily basis, kudos to the greatest majority of cops. It is impossible for anyone to be accountable for the actions of all individuals.
Quoting sensationalism just raises ire and is useless. Now on to the good news....
Many , many s.a. police officers did a great job of enforcing the law yesterday, responding to emergencies, rescuing crash victims and hunting
down drunks and thieves, rapists, molesters, cop killers, bank robbers and other such scum and this went unappreciated by people. Without the few individuals of the s.a.p.d. and s.a.f.d.- chaos and ararchy would reign in the streets.
What a wonderful alternative.
?
Quote:
Originally Posted by MattTx
Some recent local news reports:
San Antonio Police Officer Roland Alvarado, who was arrested in February and resigned in May, after a second DWI stop He only got 3 days in jail when he was facing six months in jail. He was also involved another accident in which he was responding to a call and ran a red light, killing a citizen. The grand jury declined to indict him for that incident in that particular case.
Park Police Officer Scott Warren Little, who failed field sobriety and breathalyzer tests during Fiesta.
San Antonio firefighter Steven Alan Boldway Jr., who was arrested in April after hitting two police patrol cars and forcing the officers to jump over a center median barrier.
The reason I posted these is to highlight why some of us may not have trust in the police and others that are supposed to "protect and serve".
How are we supposed to trust the police to arrest drunks and others that break the law when some of them break the law themselves? They are held to a higher standard, so this type of behavior is unexcusable.
Just look at todays Edward's political fiasco. These individual actions are no reason to distrust an entire organization.
No organization is all bad or all good, but for the job they have commited to do on a daily basis, kudos to the greatest majority of cops. It is impossible for anyone to be accountable for the actions of all individuals.
Quoting sensationalism just raises ire and is useless. Now on to the good news....
Many , many s.a. police officers did a great job of enforcing the law yesterday, responding to emergencies, rescuing crash victims and hunting
down drunks and thieves, rapists, molesters, cop killers, bank robbers and other such scum and this went unappreciated by people. Without the few individuals of the s.a.p.d. and s.a.f.d.- chaos and ararchy would reign in the streets.
What a wonderful alternative.
?
Just quoting what happened as stated in the news. Regardless if it is on paper, online, etc; fact is there are some bad apples in an organization that should have NONE. Just one bad apple is all it takes for people to start distrusting the entire police force.
For example, what if one of these police offiers turns out to be a child molester? Are you going to just trust your child with any police officer after learning about an incident like that? Probably will be more cautious? Right? I know I would be.
What if they find another police officer convicted of the same crime a month later? 3, 4,5, etc...the more they find the less you may trust the entire police force with your child. Just a scenario to express my point here.
Look at all the incidents of catholic priests being convicted of the same crime. Less and less people are trusting of catholic priests with their children these days.
The more bad apples, the less trusting we become. SAPD may have way too many bad apples right now and we have a hard time acknowledging those that are truely out there to do a good job. It is sad.
The idea of equating s.a.p.d. and pedoophilia is good for its' shock value but nothing else, exactly like the violent sexual televised voyeurism which happens everyday. It is nonsense. This is not a plausible analogy. One cop commited suicide last week, yet will they all?
Murdered they might be, yes. In the line of duty- may God Rest their Souls.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MattTx
Just quoting what happened as stated in the news. Regardless if it is on paper, online, etc; fact is there are some bad apples in an organization that should have NONE. Just one bad apple is all it takes for people to start distrusting the entire police force.
For example, what if one of these police offiers turns out to be a child molester? Are you going to just trust your child with any police officer after learning about an incident like that? Probably will be more cautious? Right? I know I would be.
What if they find another police officer convicted of the same crime a month later? 3, 4,5, etc...the more they find the less you may trust the entire police force with your child. Just a scenario to express my point here.
Look at all the incidents of catholic priests being convicted of the same crime. Less and less people are trusting of catholic priests with their children these days.
The more bad apples, the less trusting we become. SAPD may have way too many bad apples right now and we have a hard time acknowledging those that are truely out there to do a good job. It is sad.
The idea of equating s.a.p.d. and pedoophilia is good for its' shock value but nothing else, exactly like the violent sexual televised voyeurism which happens everyday. It is nonsense. This is not a plausible analogy. One cop commited suicide last week, yet will they all?
Murdered they might be, yes. In the line of duty- may God Rest their Souls.
Right, I just equated the police and pedophilia for shock value only.
I will let you live in your world where you believe we should trust the police 100%. Just don't drag me into it, I am not buying it.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $53,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 1.5 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
