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Old 07-29-2011, 03:06 PM
Location: San Antonio
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Originally Posted by martinezpacx View Post
san antonio can not support the spurs completely, let alone another major sports team. NFL would fail miserably here in san antonio because san antonio simply is poor and can not afford tickets or merchandise.

san antonio is one of the poorest cities in america and san antonio should focus on taking care of real problems such as their high crime rate and homeless and obese diseases before even paying any attention to a leaisure activity
Don't you get it? San Antonio is always going to be poor, overweight etc. That should not preclude the city from enjoying pro sports. End of argument.
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Old 07-29-2011, 03:53 PM
Location: San Antonio, TX
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I'm originally from Jacksonville and can tell you that their NFL franchise (the Jags) which started in 1995 have done nothing for the city except drain millions of dollars from it. Attendance in 2009 was so bad that the city had to step in to bolster it, now they brag about it being up by 26% but considering the previous year's attendance averaged around 40,000 it is still far from being the numbers they need. And this in the 11th most populated city in the country and one that doesn't have a professional NBA team like the Spurs.

NFL in SA is a pipe dream, some will continue to pursue it but odds are that we'll have our Spurs and Scorpions, and that's it (nothing against the Missions, but they are a minor league franchise).

Plus, there are other much better things the city can spend its money one. Expanding the Riverwalk will provide a much better return than an NFL team!

Cheers! M2
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Old 07-29-2011, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by martinezpacx View Post
San Antonio doesnt even sell out the Spurs games..no way they can afford NFL

San Antonio needs to accept their second rate status as a city and move on

You are not fooling anyone making a new screenname with a spanish surname to talk smack!

San Antonio does not make the top 25 poorest cities.
List of poorest U.S. cities

As far as obesity index it has some issues with obesity, but its a national epedemic not just a local one. Dallas has a higher obesity index and a higher poverty level and it has the Cowboys. So whats your point?

Austin and Houston have a comprable obesity index.
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Old 07-29-2011, 05:11 PM
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the screwed up when they passed on mls
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Old 07-29-2011, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Zuul View Post
Higher median income than Dallas or Houston? Prove it. The stats I have seen say quite the opposite, showing metro San Antonio's median household income to be at least 15% less than either Houston, Dallas or Austin's.

San Antonio: $47,461
Houston: $55,531
Dallas: $56,096
Austin: $56,971

Please feel free the reference the Bureau of Economic Analysis for figures that are both recent and relevant:

Agree with previous poster - just having an occasional F500 company in the city limits is not neccesarily "corporate presence" - club level tickets and luxury boxes are very much a business tool of mid-sized businesses involved in high-value clients within the same city area. You need a "critical mass" of these, something San Antonio definitely does not have. San Antonio remains economically driven by government employees, tourism and low-cost "white collar" work: no billionaire investor is going to see a negative return on his investment because he cannot sell tickets at league-average prices. The Spurs have difficulty selling out - are you going to give away 50,000 NFL tickets at HEB or Henry's Puffy Taco? Graduating classes at Lackland AFB?

You simply are not going to make an acceptable return in San Antonio - not compared to many other places. The economics and demographics are plainly are not there, they have a crappy old stadium they can't aford to replace, and lumping Austin into some bastardized pro-forma team base is desperate and the intellectual equivalent of lumping New York with Philadelphia. The league is not expanding. There is a gaping hole in LA for a team. San Antonio rates #3 behind Forth Worth for Cowboys ratings. If this makes you angry.... there's always the Texans!

That link shows figures from 2006-2009 and its a GDP list not median family. I do like the BEA source.

San Antonio's income is still rising, maybe on a regional level the DFW and the Houston-Galveston area might be slightly higher. Those cities have a lot of F500 and much more than the average NFL city. When you compare San Antonio to metros more it's size 2-3 million people, San Antonio does not take a back seat. Versus the NFL cities such as Cleveland, Cincinatti, Kansas City and certainly not behind the even smaller NFL or MLB metros, nashville, Charlotte, Milwaukee, New Orleans, Jacksonville, Buffalo.

if those cities can support another NFL or MLB so can San Antonio in a heartbeat.

Median Family Income, 2008
Plano, TX $102,275
San Francisco, CA $91,812
Seattle, WA $90,835
San Jose, CA $90,119
Anchorage, AK $87,930
Henderson, NV $78,458
Honolulu, HI $76,549
San Diego, CA $75,562
Virginia Beach, VA $74,358
Raleigh, NC $71,563
Lexington, KY $69,223
Colorado Springs, CO $67,770
Anaheim, CA $67,357
Lincoln, NE $66,734
Washington, DC $66,722
Portland, OR $66,645
Charlotte, NC $65,237
Austin, TX $64,726
Mesa, AZ $62,900
Minneapolis, MN $62,308
Arlington, TX $62,587
Jacksonville, FL $62,035
St Paul, MN $61,353
Omaha, NE $61,337
Albuquerque, NM $61,154
Las Vegas, NV $61,075
Riverside, CA $60,988
Atlanta, GA $60,954
Boston, MA $60,543
Oakland, CA $59,411
Wichita, KS $58,130
Louisville, KY $57,846
Kansas City, MO $57,840
Denver, CO $57,657
Sacramento, CA $57,572
Long Beach, CA $57,639
Aurora, CO $57,340
Phoenix, AZ $57,507
Fort Worth, TX $57,220
Indianapolis, IN $56,855
Bakersfield, CA $56,728
New York, NY $56,552
Tampa, FL $56,049
Greensboro, NC $54,886
Oklahoma City, OK $54,456
Columbus, OH $54,146
Stockton, CA $54,098
Chicago, IL $54,086
Corpus Christi, TX $54,026
Los Angeles, CA $53,577
San Antonio, TX $52,666
Ft Wayne, IN $52,297
Tulsa, OK $51,944
Pittsburgh, PA $51,567
New Orleans, LA $51,146
Houston, TX $48,887
Baltimore, MD $48,216
Tucson, AZ $47,698
Philadelphia, PA $46,363
Cincinnati, OH $46,114
Fresno, CA $44,633
St Louis, MO $44,503
Dallas, TX $43,973
Milwaukee, WI $43,609
El Paso, TX $42,935
Toledo, OH $42,275
Newark, NJ $38,668
Buffalo, NY $35,258
Cleveland, OH $33,986
Miami, FL $33,613
Detroit, MI $32,798

From the same source, American Factfinder of the US Census Bureau

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Old 07-29-2011, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Quattro72 View Post
Don’t waste your time arguing with her. Just look at her screen name. This issue has come up many times before.

Yea you know better!
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Old 07-29-2011, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by martinezpacx View Post
spurs cant even sell out last year when they were alleged best team in league

then they lose in round 1

they cant sell out box suits which is where money is made

besides, if san antonio built a nfl stadium, it would be just become the new biggest target for the folks from the west side to tag up and destroy.
because the spurs are a boring team. they dont have an entertainer
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Old 07-29-2011, 06:31 PM
Location: Dallas,Texas
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I don't think San Antonio will get a NFL Team.
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Old 07-29-2011, 06:33 PM
Location: Rio Grande Valley/Tone City
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Originally Posted by SweethomeSanAntonio View Post
Yea you know better!

Don't even waste your time with these kinda people seems they have insecurity issues. People that know cities and SA can peel away all the stereotypical generalizations and see SA's real position among other cities.
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Old 07-29-2011, 07:38 PM
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Lol San Antonio is not a stupid city, and by far not a poor one. I've traveled all over the country and let me say I've seen more stupid and poverty elsewhere. San Antonio can support any team that comes in. I run a semi-Pro football league in Texas and San Antonio is by far the best city, as far as revenue and fan support go. We are on a smaller scale but we double in size every year!

Btw our city manager is killing our sport landscape for youth and adults! San Antonio does not get anywhere as long as this dumb chick is there.
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