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Old 03-06-2012, 04:34 PM
 
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I'm looking into opening a concept bar in San Antonio. This is extremely preliminary. I have not yet started a business plan.

Can anyone point me to some resources for first-time business owners, or provide any other guidance? Guidance specific to opening a mid-sized bar would be particularly helpful, such as perspectives on bar financing, liquor licenses, and promoting the bar.

I have been reading through the San Antonio SBA office website, which has lots of helpful information.

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Old 03-06-2012, 05:01 PM
 
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Yeah we need another bar...good luck!

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Old 03-06-2012, 07:27 PM
 
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I'm looking into opening a concept bar in San Antonio. This is extremely preliminary. I have not yet started a business plan.

Can anyone point me to some resources for first-time business owners, or provide any other guidance? Guidance specific to opening a mid-sized bar would be particularly helpful, such as perspectives on bar financing, liquor licenses, and promoting the bar.

I have been reading through the San Antonio SBA office website, which has lots of helpful information.

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hope you have cash. banks dont like to lend to bars

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Old 03-06-2012, 11:21 PM
 
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Old 03-07-2012, 06:20 AM
 
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Most definitely. I've asked a colleague who's experienced with retail site selection for assistance with this. His full-time job was using GIS / demographics / statistics to determine where they should open new stores. Very bright person, in many ways.

Please keep any ideas or suggestions coming. Thank you!
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Old 05-10-2012, 09:17 AM
 
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Make sure you have enough funds to handle things you would never thought of. Also, many small business owners do not set aside enough funds to market their business.

If it were me, I would try to contact a few bars with your concept in another area far away and explain what you are trying to do and see if they could give you 5-10 minutes of their time for a few questions.

In addition, contact the local SCORE office to help you with starting this business. They are free and can get you tips to get you started.
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Old 05-12-2012, 06:35 AM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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Also understand there is no shortage of watering holes in SA. We've also got a bad drinking and driving problem, so be prepared to address that somehow as a few bars have been held liable for the idiots they served who went out and drove over someone afterward.

That said, I think the greatest missing element in such businesses in this country is the British public house concept. A local establishment that not only serves alcohol but also is a meeting place for the community (and somewhere to grab a bite to eat!).

Most bars in this country are too focused on simply the consumption of alcohol or are gimmicky in nature. I miss going to my local pub and hanging out for a few hours, having a few pints, and engaging in some spirited conversation. All you see at most bars around here are obnoxious drunks...

Good luck, you're gonna need it!

Cheers! M2
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Old 05-12-2012, 07:46 AM
 
Location: NW San Antonio
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That is the number one problem in owning a bar. I have friends who own bars out in Stone Oak and their primary concern is being held liable for a bartenders split-second judgement in overserving. I see people overserved all the time in bars. On the other side of that coin there are people out there who can go to bars, have some pints, and not be sloppy drunk acting a fool in the bar. There are also people who can drink responsibly in this city. Unfortunately there are also idiots out there who drink 30 beers then go the wrong way on the highway.
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Old 05-12-2012, 09:27 AM
 
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Obviously nobody here has ever owned bar or any other business.
The #1 problem with the bar business...its that it is a Cash business with almost no inventory controls. You staff will rob you blind right in front of your eyes. At the end of the night when run receipts, how do you true up what they rang with your inventory of hard liquor bottles & kegs of beer?

Most bartenders will take a customers money and not "charge the house" and just pocket that cash. If you have any sort of decent bar..any bartender can get away with doing this 5 to 20 times a night, multiple that by several bartends, by 7 nights a week. . THey pour doubles and charge for single for better tips from their regulars. They will pocket most of your profit. You have to be able to 100% trust the people working for you. Yes it isnt a 100% cash businesss like it used to be, and credit card use is more prevalent, there is a still a lot of cash used, between all the lowlifes with no credit in SA and your bar regulars that know cash always gets you better service (since cash tips go un-reported for the most part).

You will be far better off making slow steady money in the long run with a small neighborhood bar than you will with a hot trendy night club.

Good Luck
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Old 02-13-2014, 02:38 PM
 
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Obviously nobody here has ever owned bar or any other business.
The #1 problem with the bar business...its that it is a Cash business with almost no inventory controls. You staff will rob you blind right in front of your eyes. At the end of the night when run receipts, how do you true up what they rang with your inventory of hard liquor bottles & kegs of beer?

Most bartenders will take a customers money and not "charge the house" and just pocket that cash. If you have any sort of decent bar..any bartender can get away with doing this 5 to 20 times a night, multiple that by several bartends, by 7 nights a week. . THey pour doubles and charge for single for better tips from their regulars. They will pocket most of your profit. You have to be able to 100% trust the people working for you. Yes it isnt a 100% cash businesss like it used to be, and credit card use is more prevalent, there is a still a lot of cash used, between all the lowlifes with no credit in SA and your bar regulars that know cash always gets you better service (since cash tips go un-reported for the most part).

You will be far better off making slow steady money in the long run with a small neighborhood bar than you will with a hot trendy night club.

Good Luck
Wondering if John Taffer (Bar Rescue guy) offers pre-opening consultations.
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