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Old 12-04-2012, 12:17 PM
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Finally, mysa has an article today that explains this situation in more detail.

Fund swap could aid streetcars and 1604 - San Antonio Express-News

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The funding switch amounts to a complicated financial chess game involving three moves: shifting money between the streetcar project and a Loop 1604 expansion plan, previously approved by the MPO; changing the phases of the Loop 1604 plan; and swapping funds between Loop 1604 and U.S. 281, which also is slated for additional lanes.

The overall 1604 project would add expressway lanes from Bandera to Potranco roads.
I'm going to guess that "expressway lanes" are HOV lanes.

The article says the funding swap won't be official until January 28, when it is up for a vote at the MPO board.
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:42 PM
 
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Finally, mysa has an article today that explains this situation in more detail.

Fund swap could aid streetcars and 1604 - San Antonio Express-News



I'm going to guess that "expressway lanes" are HOV lanes.

The article says the funding swap won't be official until January 28, when it is up for a vote at the MPO board.
That part of 1604 does not have any express lanes. They are upgrading the the existing roadway into a freeway. Right now it is just like 281 N of 1604.
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Old 12-04-2012, 10:36 PM
 
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It's not her fault that environmental studies take 5 years.
they don't. only the NEW new one does. the first one was finished in '05, the second one in '07 or '08 (i don't remember)
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Old 12-04-2012, 10:38 PM
 
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Aren't HOV lanes planned for 281?
not for 281. But they are considering it for I-10 past 1604, and for I-35
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Old 12-04-2012, 10:43 PM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX (78201)
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Finally, mysa has an article today that explains this situation in more detail.

Fund swap could aid streetcars and 1604 - San Antonio Express-News



I'm going to guess that "expressway lanes" are HOV lanes.

The article says the funding swap won't be official until January 28, when it is up for a vote at the MPO board.
No, this will actually be just a regular, non-tolled, extension of the freeway
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Old 10-05-2014, 01:14 PM
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Here's a diagram of the toll... er, managed lane plan for 281, courtesy of the Alamo RMA.



Note that it does include 1 set of toll lanes between 1604 and Stone Oak Parkway and 2 sets north of there. The money that the OP in this thread refers to was enough to cover some of the cost of the expressway, but not all of it.
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Old 10-05-2014, 01:32 PM
 
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Here's a diagram of the toll... er, managed lane plan for 281, courtesy of the Alamo RMA.



Note that it does include 1 set of toll lanes between 1604 and Stone Oak Parkway and 2 sets north of there. The money that the OP in this thread refers to was enough to cover some of the cost of the expressway, but not all of it.
I have been a staunch opponent of toll lanes for as long as they have been proposed but, honestly, that looks like a fair plan.

I would like it more if the state or the county were in charge of the toll roads and not a private company. I would be ok with a private company owning it for a period of time then it reverting to state control but this seems fair enough, so long as there are controls on how much they are allowed to charge. Anything more than $2 from 1604 to Stone Oak (one way) is too much. Anything more than $2 for the duration of toll road (one way) north of Stone Oak is too much.
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Old 10-05-2014, 06:16 PM
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Anything more than $2 from 1604 to Stone Oak (one way) is too much. Anything more than $2 for the duration of toll road (one way) north of Stone Oak is too much.
I have details on the tolling rate from the RMA, too.

"The toll rate is set between $0.17 - $0.50/mile. Investment Grade Study will determine final recommended rate."

You can see the mileage for each section on the left side of the diagram I posted. Assuming there's no rounding, the maximum in the portion you mention would be slightly less than $1.50. The maximum toll in the northern portion would be slightly less than $2.50.
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Old 10-05-2014, 06:31 PM
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I'm glad to finally see any kind of positive progress with 281. The superstreet concept was just ridiculous. Many statewide freeway/managed projects have gotten done quickly and ahead of schedule, and I expect the same with this project here. It's really great news!
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Old 10-05-2014, 06:47 PM
 
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I'm happy things are finally starting to pan out for this. I just want to know when they are starting...
Lately, they've been digging under 281 and repaving overnight in certain sections... no idea why. maybe trying to get ahead start on electrical work.
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