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Old 11-12-2007, 04:04 PM
 
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Originally Posted by imaterry78259 View Post
Me and a couple of friends were sitting around watching Monday Football and wondered why we have to pay school tax since none of our kids went to school here in Texas. Is this taxation without representation?

We all agreed that we would not mind paying something for school tax but not the amount we are taxed on. Of course we had a few beers
Same reason you pay for roads you don't drive on.. or
Same reason you pay for other services you don't use..

You are represented by a school board (either elected or otherwise) so there is representation.

Its all for the greater good of the whole. Knowledgeable students lead to greater prosperity in all lives (i.e. less people on welfare, less people on medicaid.. etc etc..)

 
Old 11-12-2007, 04:34 PM
 
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Same reason you pay for roads you don't drive on.. or
Same reason you pay for other services you don't use..
I guess that's why they are trying to put in new toll roads now, so we can continually pay for roads that were supposed to be already paid for by our taxes? But that's whole other issue.
 
Old 11-12-2007, 06:22 PM
 
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Same reason you pay for roads you don't drive on.. or
Same reason you pay for other services you don't use..

You are represented by a school board (either elected or otherwise) so there is representation.

Its all for the greater good of the whole. Knowledgeable students lead to greater prosperity in all lives (i.e. less people on welfare, less people on medicaid.. etc etc..)

Like I said, I don't mind paying a nominal amount of school tax. I hope the kids at Reagan HS get moving sidewalks for 8 to 10million dollars
 
Old 11-13-2007, 08:56 AM
 
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Default Your arguements don't work

I have been actively campaigning about this issue for years. The arguments that people are posting here just don't wash. #1-We pay for fire and police protection, but never need it. TRUE. However, isn't this a form of insurance? Wouldn't you rather have it and not need it, then need it and not have it? #2-We pay taxes for roads we may not use. TRUE. However, do you have a car? Then you do use roads, and therefore, you may travel on them someday. They need to be maintained.
My wife and I do not have kids. Will NEVER have kids. We don't have to worry about an unexpected pregnancy, I have had a vasectomy. So, I want to hear a GOOD reason why I am paying for your kids to go to school. And the arguement that I went to school so it's my duty to pay for your kids to go is ludacris. My parents paid for my education because they had me. They paid taxes for the schools I went to. Why? Because they chose to have kids. THEY CHOSE TO HAVE KIDS. Understand? I choose not to have kids. If people who choose to have kids are the ones who pay for their education, maybe people will stop and think for a minute about what they are doing. The argument that there will be legions of uneducated people running around because the minority of people who don't have kids didn't pay for them is assinine. WE ALREADY HAVE LEGIONS OF UNEDUCATED PEOPLE RUNNING AROUND. Many don't even speak english!
Here's the skinny:
If you've had kids-pay the taxes.
If you have kids-pay the taxes.
If you plan on having kids-pay the taxes.
Making people pay an exhorbitant amount of money for something they don't have and will never have is criminal. I pay enough taxes and I cetainly don't need to pay more because you chose to reproduce. Also, this country, as well as the world, needs to start seriously considering population control. What is the root cause of all pollution, global warming, epidemics, etc..?
Too many people. Too many people consuming too many resources. If people in this world keep reproducing without any reguard for the total world population, then its all over folks.
 
Old 11-13-2007, 09:37 AM
 
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You have to look at School Tax as not paying to educate your kids but to pay to help educate all kids. You may not have kids but you do "reap" the benefits. The guy or gal at McDonalds needs to be educated to take your money. Also the kid getting the fundamentals needed to go to college so he or she can give you that bypass when your 50 is being funded by your school tax. And yes, my wife and I do not (can not) have kids.
 
Old 11-13-2007, 09:37 AM
 
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So people with low income who already have the extra expenses of raising children, who may not be able to afford the entire weight of the cost of their children's education...their children will go without education?

Don't tell me they "shouldn't have had the children in the first place." The kids are here and there's no sending them back. And people do face hardships. Maybe they had a great job when they had their first kid, but unforeseen medical bills or job losses have handicapped them since.

Uneducated children DO NOT STRENGTHEN OUR SOCIETY. Uneducated children ARE what we'd end up with if the burden for education were placed solely on parents. When someone has to make the choice between food and clothes and education, food and clothes trump education every time.

I am all for limited government and lower taxes, but this argument really makes me mad. You yourselves benefit from the education of the children in your culture and you refuse to admit it.

Oh, and to #145: "ludicrous" is the correct spelling. "Ludacris" is the rapper.

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Old 11-13-2007, 10:23 AM
 
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Originally Posted by imaterry78259 View Post
Me and a couple of friends were sitting around watching Monday Football and wondered why we have to pay school tax since none of our kids went to school here in Texas. Is this taxation without representation?

We all agreed that we would not mind paying something for school tax but not the amount we are taxed on. Of course we had a few beers
do you really want a bunch of stupid(er) kids running around?
 
Old 11-13-2007, 01:08 PM
 
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Default My bad!!!!!

This issue gets me so riled up, I don't see straight. Guess that's how I missed "ludicrous". Guess the education my parents taxes paid for wasn't so good after all.
Kids don't need to be educated to take my money at McDonalds. The computer does it for 'em. AND THEY STILL GET IT WRONG. How many thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of kids don't even care enough about their education and drop out anyway? To sit there and say that the entire public education system in this country would collapse if the people without children didn't pay these taxes is ridiculous.
Maybe we should take this to the logical next step. If you can prove that you cannot have kids, like having a vasectomy or you are sterile, then you don't have to pay. Seems fair to me. The amount of people in this country who do not want children are certainly in the VAST minority. So you can't tell me the the minor amount of money in taxes (as opposed to the majority of total taxes collected) collected from childless couples will hardly make any difference. A lot of people here are saying "Where will they all go? They will be in the streets robbing and spraying graffiti!" This is retarded. Maybe if they had good parenting in the first place, they wouldn't even consider this as an alternative to doing something constructive with their life.
If you want kids but can't afford the taxes, why not homeschool? Isn't that how it used to be? Before the government shoved taxes and state run schools down our throat? Seems to me this country did just fine in the early days with homeschooling. Or the small one-room schools in the early 1900's. All those children got educated and this country turned out just fine.
Bottom line, you want kids, by all means have them. Don't make me pay for your lifestyle decision.
 
Old 11-13-2007, 01:11 PM
 
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The point that many are missing is the fact that the taxes are exhorbitant and the schools are using the money to build the palaces and the 8 million dollar sidewalks. The point that is also being missed is that it does not take a palace to educate a child. Your child will still get the same education if the school was not so fabulous. Fabulous does not educate your child...teachers do. People keep saying...but we want educated kids. What does educated kids have to do with the cost and construction of these palaces? Are you saying that your child will not be educated if they don't have these palaces for schools? People also say, "But you will benefit from the child's education." I'm sure that many of our brilliant doctors and lawyers, today, were not educated in palaces. Some of the older ones may have gone to two room schools...but they are still brilliant. I am sure that people wouldn't mind paying a few dollars toward education of the children. I pay school taxes where I am...but they are a small, small fraction of what homeowners in Texas pay. I wouldn't mind paying a SMALL, NORMAL school tax in Texas, as I know the funding has to come from somewhere. But I wouldn't want my money going toward the building of palaces. I would want the focus to be on the hiring and retaining good educators. YOU are benefitting, in that your child gets to go to a school with cush surroundings. That has nothing to do with what they learn. Whether they turn out smart and are brilliant doctors or lawyers has nothing to do with the cost and constructing of the palaces. They will be just as brilliant in a two room school. The schools do not have their priorities straight and the huge amount of taxes that homeowners have to pay is over the top. They get money from the lottery, they get money from the taxes...and they are still saying they need more money to pay their teacher and paraprofessionals. Well, I guess so. The majority of the money is spent on the building and maintaining the palace. Then they don't have enough to pay the teachers well. If you want educated children, the focus SHOULD be on the teachers and their pay...not the school palaces. Beauty is only skin deep. You can have the most beautiful palace/school in the area...but if you don't have well paid, good teachers to educate the child...your brilliant doctors and lawyers will have to come from another state.

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Old 11-13-2007, 01:26 PM
 
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I have been actively campaigning about this issue for years. The arguments that people are posting here just don't wash. #1-We pay for fire and police protection, but never need it. TRUE. However, isn't this a form of insurance? Wouldn't you rather have it and not need it, then need it and not have it? #2-We pay taxes for roads we may not use. TRUE. However, do you have a car? Then you do use roads, and therefore, you may travel on them someday. They need to be maintained.
My wife and I do not have kids. Will NEVER have kids. We don't have to worry about an unexpected pregnancy, I have had a vasectomy. So, I want to hear a GOOD reason why I am paying for your kids to go to school. And the arguement that I went to school so it's my duty to pay for your kids to go is ludacris. My parents paid for my education because they had me. They paid taxes for the schools I went to. Why? Because they chose to have kids. THEY CHOSE TO HAVE KIDS. Understand? I choose not to have kids. If people who choose to have kids are the ones who pay for their education, maybe people will stop and think for a minute about what they are doing. The argument that there will be legions of uneducated people running around because the minority of people who don't have kids didn't pay for them is assinine. WE ALREADY HAVE LEGIONS OF UNEDUCATED PEOPLE RUNNING AROUND. Many don't even speak english!
Here's the skinny:
If you've had kids-pay the taxes.
If you have kids-pay the taxes.
If you plan on having kids-pay the taxes.
Making people pay an exhorbitant amount of money for something they don't have and will never have is criminal. I pay enough taxes and I cetainly don't need to pay more because you chose to reproduce. Also, this country, as well as the world, needs to start seriously considering population control. What is the root cause of all pollution, global warming, epidemics, etc..?
Too many people. Too many people consuming too many resources. If people in this world keep reproducing without any reguard for the total world population, then its all over folks.
I agree with you.

However, I'm still ok of giving my share for sending kids that are not mine to school.

BUT!!! Having said that, I believe its just and fair that us who don't use it, pay less than people with kids in school. Its sounding like a "socialist" country where citizens whether they work harder or not get the same income, eat the same food, get the same medical service, and the likes.
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