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Old 02-20-2013, 09:14 AM
Location: San Antonio
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Lots to cover here...

Originally Posted by BenjaminNicholas View Post
LOL. Typical.

One step forward... Two steps back. Welcome to San Antonio.

Originally Posted by Quattro72 View Post
By the time anything gets done in SA, cars will be flying in other cities.
Originally Posted by 7ry1an3 View Post
Lmao thats exactly why i could only live there for two years. SA has potential, but then again....it doesn't.
This is not a San Antonio thing, this is a federal thing. All projects that involve federal funding have to go through the federal environmental process, which can be quite arduous. Many other projects around the country have had these same obstacles.

Originally Posted by ChrisSA_wxatUIW View Post
Again, thanks Terri Hall
Originally Posted by prim8 View Post
Is this really her fault? It sounds like the study is a federal requirement and then this board or council or whatever changed the plans thinking they could slip them in without needing to have the lengthy study done and the feds said they needed to start over.
Well, in a way, Terri Hall does own a share of the blame. Twice there were expressway projects on 281 that had environmental clearance from the feds and she sued both times to have those clearances tossed, each time resulting in a higher-level study needing to get done. (Background: there are three levels of environmental study: a "categorical exclusion" (CE), which is used for small projects that are known anecdotally to not be harmful to the environment; an "environmental assessment" (EA) which is a low-level study [most significant projects get done at this level]; and an "environmental impact statement" (EIS), which is the most intensive and time-consuming study. The first 281 project (~2002) was approved using an array of EAs for each segment. The first lawsuit was dropped when TxDOT agreed to do a comprehensive EA for the entire corridor. When that was approved and Terri Hall and her cohorts sued again (~2008), an irregularity in the EA was discovered and so the feds and TxDOT agreed to do a full-blown EIS to make sure that all the i's were dotted and t's crossed so that if she sued again, everything would be in order and this work could finally get done. All of this history is covered in detail on my website; DM me if you want the link.)

Originally Posted by prim8 View Post
I don't know enough to know if this is accurate or not, but the real cause of this new delay is because this council tried to slip a change in, not because the study is required.
They didn't "try to slip a change in", they made a formal change that they're allowed to do, and what most people would consider to be a good change. What happened was that the MPO was able to reallocate some unexpected local and state funds to expedite the upgrading of Loop 1604 from Bandera to Potranco, certainly a worthy project. Because it would only use state and local funds, federal environmental review was no longer needed. However, the feds then determined that in order to delete that section from the ongoing federal study, that would change it enough to require that the study essentially be redone. That's a rediculous finding IMO and is an example of how the federal environmental laws can oftentimes allow no room for common sense. The good news is that they should be able to salvage some of the work already done.
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