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Old 08-30-2013, 04:48 AM
 
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Starting later this year or early 2014, work will begin on converting Loop 1604 between Bandera and Culebra roads into a controlled-access highway.

The Texas Transportation Commission on Thursday awarded the Loop 1604 design-build contract to Williams Brothers Construction Co. for up to $126.2 million. Williams Brothers also built the Loop 1604-U.S. 281 interchange.
When completed, Loop 1604 will have continuous access roads and overpasses at Shaenfield, New Guilbeau and Braun roads. That project is expected to cost about $82.2 million.
The contract includes an option to add a project at Texas 151 and Loop 1604, said Ed Penstock, director of the Texas Department of Transportation's strategic projects division. That's where construction of a $15.1 million underpass on Texas 151 was halted a year ago after the discovery of an endangered spider in the area.



Loop 1604 between Bandera and Culebra to expand - San Antonio Express-News
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Old 08-30-2013, 07:36 AM
 
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so are we looking at 1-2 / 3-4 / 5+ years?
not trying to be sarcastic, just really don't know how long this kind of project would take.
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Old 08-30-2013, 07:38 AM
 
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Probably longer if they run into any spiders.
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Old 08-30-2013, 11:11 AM
 
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So glad they spent all that money on that superstreet project. *eyeroll*
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Old 08-30-2013, 11:12 AM
 
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Probably longer if they run into any spiders.
*snort*
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Old 08-30-2013, 03:12 PM
 
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so are we looking at 1-2 / 3-4 / 5+ years?
not trying to be sarcastic, just really don't know how long this kind of project would take.
Since it's a design-build contract, the final design is not yet done, so a specific timeline is not yet available. However, a project of that scope typically takes about 2 years or so to complete. If the 151 interchange is added, that could add another 18-24 months, although that could possibly run partially concurrent with the rest of the project depending on when it gets approved.

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So glad they spent all that money on that superstreet project. *eyeroll*
When the 1604 superstreet project was proposed and built, there was no funding in sight to upgrade that stretch of 1604 to a freeway. At the time, it was expected that funding for that project would be at least five years off and more likely a decade off, and it was envisioned as a likely toll project. Also, the environmental study for Loop 1604 was ongoing and expected to take several more years to be completed. Therefore, it made sense to build the superstreet at a stopgap fix. About eight months after the superstreet was complete, the Transportation Commission unexpectedly allocated a sizable chunk of funding to San Antonio, which local officials then earmarked for this project. About a year ago, most of that funding was swapped with local ATD funding that had been assigned to the downtown streetcar project. This gave the streetcar project state funding to preempt a possible legal fight over whether ATD funds could be used for rail projects and also removed all federal funds from the 1604 project meaning it no longer had to go through the federal environmental approval process (and thus expedited it.) In the end, the 1604 superstreet, which was always advertised as a short-term band-aid, cost about $6.5 million and will have provided a good two years of congestion relief for that corridor.

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Old 08-30-2013, 04:14 PM
 
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TexHwyMan,

Is there a EIS for 1604 or 281 taking place right now?
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Old 08-30-2013, 04:40 PM
 
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Texhwyman,

What's the latest on a stacked interchange t 1604/10?
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Old 08-31-2013, 05:56 AM
 
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Since it's a design-build contract, the final design is not yet done, so a specific timeline is not yet available. However, a project of that scope typically takes about 2 years or so to complete. If the 151 interchange is added, that could add another 18-24 months, although that could possibly run partially concurrent with the rest of the project depending on when it gets approved.



When the 1604 superstreet project was proposed and built, there was no funding in sight to upgrade that stretch of 1604 to a freeway. At the time, it was expected that funding for that project would be at least five years off and more likely a decade off, and it was envisioned as a likely toll project. Also, the environmental study for Loop 1604 was ongoing and expected to take several more years to be completed. Therefore, it made sense to build the superstreet at a stopgap fix. About eight months after the superstreet was complete, the Transportation Commission unexpectedly allocated a sizable chunk of funding to San Antonio, which local officials then earmarked for this project. About a year ago, most of that funding was swapped with local ATD funding that had been assigned to the downtown streetcar project. This gave the streetcar project state funding to preempt a possible legal fight over whether ATD funds could be used for rail projects and also removed all federal funds from the 1604 project meaning it no longer had to go through the federal environmental approval process (and thus expedited it.) In the end, the 1604 superstreet, which was always advertised as a short-term band-aid, cost about $6.5 million and will have provided a good two years of congestion relief for that corridor.
I'm aware of how the superstreet came about, but that's interesting about the funding that was swapped. I did not know that. Unfortunately, the superstreet is ineffective as any kind of congestion relief. Not in my experience, anyway. Still have the same problems in the same spots.
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Old 08-31-2013, 08:55 AM
 
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The superstreet has worked greatly between Culebra and Braun. Its eliminated traffic greatly.


I cant judge the one on 281, my sense is that it has not been nearly effective for various reasons, being that there are so many more businesses up and down that stretch which makes that much more traffic thus making it much less effective from the start.

But I could be wrong on that stretch.
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