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Old 09-25-2013, 11:42 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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I live downtown and I will be riding it. People on the northside can enjoy their overpasses and added lanes on 1604 (that I will never drive on) and others can enjoy the streetcar.
I don't think that would be a very good comparison. Many thousands of people move along 1604 everyday where as maybe only a few hundred at best will ride the trolley. The cost effectiveness does not add up in favor of the trolley as far as I can see, but maybe there is someone on here who would have better info on that than myself.
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Old 09-25-2013, 11:54 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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I don't think that would be a very good comparison. Many thousands of people move along 1604 everyday where as maybe only a few hundred at best will ride the trolley. The cost effectiveness does not add up in favor of the trolley as far as I can see, but maybe there is someone on here who would have better info on that than myself.
To your point 100,000-150,000 people drive on 1604 per day.

The San Antonio Area Freeway System - Loop 1604


VIA expects 3,000 riders per day on the streetcar.

Seattle's streetcar rides route to success - San Antonio Express-News

Tampa's streetcar caters to tourists but at its peril - San Antonio Express-News
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Old 09-25-2013, 12:21 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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My BIL just moved to SA from Seattle. I mentioned SA's plan to build a streetcar system and the controversy around it. When I mentioned that proponents were touting Seattle's successful streetcar system he literally laughed out loud and said " I don't know who told them that but somebody's blowing smoke up somebody's a$$". He went on to say that locally it's a joke among the natives. A real money burner.
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Old 09-25-2013, 01:03 PM
 
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Lol it only gonna travel a mere 6 miles at best...please tell me how that is gonna get people around effectively? It's b.s. And should be out to a vote...oh wait it was and we said no!
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Old 09-25-2013, 01:05 PM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX USA
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Lol it only gonna travel a mere 6 miles at best...please tell me how that is gonna get people around effectively? It's b.s. And should be out to a vote...oh wait it was and we said no!
Yep in order for this to make any sense, it would need to come from outlying areas and go down town, as well as to the ATT Center/Alamo dome
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Old 09-25-2013, 01:30 PM
 
Location: The "original 36" of SA
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I would gladly support light rail, I enthusiastically championed Bus Rapid Transit.

The streetcar... I'm not sold on it yet. My biggest concern is that VIA hasn't proven that they are up to the task. I recognize that VIA doesn't get the same amount of tax dollars that most cities get, and I know that many in their office want to do great things. Their board (and to a certain extent, the city) doesn't seem to have the desire to actually finish things they start. Examples: 1. The downtown multi-modal. Initial renderings and concepts were awesome. Now it will be but a shell of its potential. 2. BRT. Originally it was to have dedicated lanes and prepaid boarding. Now it shares some stops with other bus routes (so the "level boarding" is rendered useless when they have to stack in a line), the stops are not maintained (landscaping has died and become overgrown with weeds), and they share traffic lanes with everyone else. I just get the feeling that they have a checklist of cool new things to try, and they try to do all of them as quickly as possible without making sure they are doing them RIGHT.
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Old 09-25-2013, 03:57 PM
 
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That really depends on the side of town. The buses out this way are always packed.
I can't tell you how many times I told Via they need more service on 550/551 which is almost always standing room only from Crossroads to Randolph from 4pm to 7pm.
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Old 09-25-2013, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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I am in support of any mass transit as we are in desperate need of it. With that being said, I'd much rather see a light rail than a street car though.

Have a commuter line on 281 into downtown would be amazing
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Old 09-25-2013, 05:39 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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I am in support of any mass transit as we are in desperate need of it. With that being said, I'd much rather see a light rail than a street car though.

Have a commuter line on 281 into downtown would be amazing
Good for you. Now send them a check to help pay for it since they are about 80 million short for their project. VIA did say that they are hoping the Federal government meaning us poor taxpayers would pay that. Of course VIA has not recieved any commitment for that. So long story short here comes the next tax increase for SA.

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Old 09-25-2013, 06:27 PM
 
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I would love to have a light rail that could bring people from all sided of town into downtown. That would be something all of San Antonio could benefit from. But 6 miles of useless route c'mon the trolleys do a better job than that now
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