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Old 09-26-2013, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Building and maintaining roads are a necessity in our world. Light rail or trolleys in downtown are not necessary. Big difference.
That is changing. Gas prices are just going to continue going up in the future and in addition people are getting tired of living the suburban lifestyle dealing with traffic everyday on the highways.

Mass transit is a much more efficient and environmentally-friendly way to move people around. As San Antonio's population continues to grow very fast we need to come up with ways to more efficiently move people around. If not, we will continue playing catch up by building more expensive and unsustainable roadways. There's only so much Hill Country left to build on
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Old 09-26-2013, 01:31 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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That is changing. Gas prices are just going to continue going up in the future and in addition people are getting tired of living the suburban lifestyle dealing with traffic everyday on the highways.

Mass transit is a much more efficient and environmentally-friendly way to move people around. As San Antonio's population continues to grow very fast we need to come up with ways to more efficiently move people around. If not, we will continue playing catch up by building more expensive and unsustainable roadways. There's only so much Hill Country left to build on
Don't disagree with you at all in what you said here, but when this was put up for a vote twice by the council in SA it was voted down both times. Now if VIA and the council wants to keep pushing for this then send it back to the voters and if it's approved then so be it, the majority will have spoken. that's the part a lot of folks like yourself just don't understand when we have voted this down twice the Politian's should not be allowed to changed the name of the project and just go ahead with it anyway. I don't know how the Politian's are in Austin but I can assure you the ones here that are willing to go against the will of the voters are in it for the money or for their own future political dreams. It would be the same if someone wanted to run a crude oil pipeline through your front yard and the voters have voted on it and voted against it, but they are going to do it anyway. you wouldn't like that much would you.
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Old 09-26-2013, 05:51 PM
 
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The city is trying hard to lure young professionals to SA, not baby boomers. A street car will help in this effort.

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Old 09-26-2013, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Here
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The city is trying hard to lure young professionals to SA, not baby boomers. A street car will help in this effort.
I can't stop laughing at this take. Please tell me you're not serious?
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Old 09-26-2013, 06:14 PM
 
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I can't stop laughing at this take. Please tell me you're not serious?
Please tell me what is funny? Young people want urban neighborhoods and various methods of transportation that doesn't involve a car. I live in the downtown area with many young successful professionals who welcome a street car. I have first hand knowledge of my statement.

So, with your background and expertise. What is so funny?
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Old 09-26-2013, 06:39 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Please tell me what is funny? Young people want urban neighborhoods and various methods of transportation that doesn't involve a car. I live in the downtown area with many young successful professionals who welcome a street car. I have first hand knowledge of my statement.

So, with your background and expertise. What is so funny?
Why would you not take the bus or maybe you do already, just asking.
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Old 09-26-2013, 06:54 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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One day all the baby boomers will be dead and the world will be a better place. Then the world can finally progress.
What you do not understand now but you will in the future, your children will most likely look down on your generation just like you look down on the baby boomers. Your children's idea of progress will be vastly different than yours. It has always been that way and always will. No one is stopping you from having a street car, the only problem is you expect the majority who are against it to pay for it and we have seen this kind of money pit project so many times in our lives.
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Old 09-26-2013, 06:55 PM
 
Location: New Braunfels, TX
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Please tell me what is funny? Young people want urban neighborhoods and various methods of transportation that doesn't involve a car. I live in the downtown area with many young successful professionals who welcome a street car. I have first hand knowledge of my statement.
Agreed.....but IMO, streetcars/trolley's/whatevernameyaputonthepig isn't the answer. Unless you live within a VERY constrained area, that thing will do you no good. And all this slow-moving, lane-restricting beast is going to do is take AWAY funding from projects that COULD have higher impact. Why not more, smaller buses that run on LPG, for example? If a route isn't successful, rerouting it is simple. If it grows, adding more (or larger) buses will address the need.

Has anyone given any thought to the fact that the street these things run on are going to have restricted-access lanes to allow for their free movement? Are we losing traffic lanes, or parking areas? How will they handle intersections - will they have to stop for the red lights, or will they have "over-rides" on them to force the lights to go green for them (and not only impede normal traffic flow, but play havoc with light synchronization)?
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Old 09-26-2013, 07:33 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Can I say baby boomers? Is that acceptable mod?

The city is trying hard to lure young professionals to SA, not baby boomers. A street car will help in this effort.
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One day all the baby boomers will be dead and the world will be a better place. Then the world can finally progress.
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I can't stop laughing at this take. Please tell me you're not serious?
They like projecting. I live inside the loop and am consider a young professional. I must have moved inside the loop because one day I would ride a train to work...oh wait my work is way over in Westover Hills. I live here because the McNay is area is what I like...oh we'll maybe in 2113 I can ride a train to my work and sea world...
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Old 09-26-2013, 07:44 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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What you do not understand now but you will in the future, your children will most likely look down on your generation just like you look down on the baby boomers. Your children's idea of progress will be vastly different than yours. It has always been that way and always will. No one is stopping you from having a street car, the only problem is you expect the majority who are against it to pay for it and we have seen this kind of money pit project so many times in our lives.
I drive 410 everyday and what the Dt peeps don't realize is they are in a minority and if 410 wasn't 5 lanes most of my journey I'd live WAY over by sea world. I don't judge and know why they champion The street car. At first I was soooo excited because I could walk less than two miles and a ride to the pearl, walk to Main Street, and Southtown. I being a truly rational person shouldn't have to rely on the people of StoneOak or Leon Springs to foot my bill so I hail a cab every weekend (14 bucks) I go out and indulge!
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