U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Texas > San Antonio
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 03-21-2008, 01:54 AM
 
3,219 posts, read 7,989,264 times
Reputation: 1411

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by huckster View Post
Spaniards and Moors did not intermarry enough to differentiate
the spaniard bloodline through absorption , because of limited intermarriage
from differing religions. After 500 years the Moors were expelled from
Spain where they had a deleterious effect on culture , art etc. Then as now
the religion had a suppressing effect.
More to the point, Germans, Romans, Greeks and other cultures
had a more profound effect on the local populace.
Mexican features are North African or Arabic and Asian. Since man originated in Ethopia just go from there.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 12-08-2008, 10:36 AM
 
2,721 posts, read 3,410,776 times
Reputation: 1536
Default hello,

I just wonder how much of your information is empirical
when you quote about natives vs mexicans, central americans etc.
Europeans and natives have been intemingling for centuries here.
One cannot say this feature or that one denotes this or that lineage.
Just look at rita hayworth, known for the caucasian cast of her features.
She had such a low hairline that only electrolosis was it "fixed" ,raised. She was of course of mexican lineage.
Who knows how far back this gene may have arisen from within her
parents? How many generations?
It is like wondering how many people in s.a. have eastern european roots
versus western european roots recognizable by the 'Jewish" cast of their features.
A hypothesis is a supposition garnered from empirical data. Have you taken a cross sampling of s.a.'s hispanic genetic background?
Every single hispanic I have ever spoken to in S.A. traces their roots
to mexico, except for one and he was part apache. Only on his father's side however. This lineage was intermingled with hispanics -outside the reservation. Not to mention his mother's side.
Not just from San Antonio? Without proper cross sampling, all "theories" are invalid. S.A.'s population is very dynamic and always changing.
The indians were all forced onto reservations, here. Or simply killed off.
All know about the christianization of the natives.The missions etc,
this is how san antone was founded.
If you don't want to appear racist educate youself on the true
backgrounds. Otherwise all is pure tongue in cheek supposition.
Incidentally this is how the word "descent " is spelled not decent
as the words indecent vs. decent. Also how do you know also that you
would "awaken " some peoples desire to become interested in their lineage?
Don't you think they already know?
You must believe your thoughts to be very soul stirring and influential. Your profundity has certainly not inspired me.


Quote:
Originally Posted by kenshin522 View Post
Hello again, I have been curious on this for a while and wonder what other people think... This topic revolves around the Hispanic population of San Antonio and their ancestral roots.

Most people can agree that the vast majority of Hispanics of San Antonio are technically Mestizo people. However, what is not very clear is their AmerIndian origins.

Most people today would simply assert that these people descend from people of Mexico and whom most if not all descend from the Uto-Aztecan group known as the Aztecs.

Although there is some truth to that it certainly does not account for all AmerIndian groups visible in San Antonio.

One thing most people seem to forget is that the native population of present day San Antonio were groups of nomadic and semi-nomadic people known as Coahuiltecans. These people were linguistically and ethnically related peoples who spanned most of historic South Texas.

After the Spanish came to this land they claimed it as their territory and built missions which to convert these Indians into citizens of New Spain.
Therefore the majority of these Indians and their descendants after contact with the missions and Spanish people would now speak the Spanish language and have aquired "Hispanic" names through conversion...

What we are taught is that most of these tribes no longer exist.. But still there are "some" decendants in the area... However there are a few hispanics which I have met and claim to have not decended from people from Mexico. One Lady I met who spoke Spanish, had a Spanish name stated that she wasnt even Hispanic but that all she knew is that her family had always been here in this area.

Phenotypically many San Antonio Hispanics appear much like Native Americans' from the USA. This includes lighter skin, more Asianic and gentle features compared with the AmerIndians of Mexico who are much darker in complexion as well as more robust features. Low hairlines like those in Aztecs' and Otomis', while noticeable are not as frequent as some might expect even in the predominate or full blood Amerindian.


Many of the Hispanics of this city appear to be of the Coahuiltecan lineage.
Some of these people may also decend from the Comanches and Apaches who also settled this area.

Note that I am NOT implying that ALL of the Hispanics of this city are of this decent.. There are many Mestizos and Indians from Mexico present here and while they do make up a noticeable amount it doesnt compare with other phenotypes which do not resemble them...

Based on my hypothesis of the city's 58 percent Hispanic population (though the number is probably higher since this is not based on those who are undocumented)... Roughly 30% to 32% of them diverge from the original AmerIndians of this state, including Apaches, Comanches, Kickapoos and Coahuiltecans.

Any other views, thoughts or opinions on this?

This is not a racist thread it is an observation and culturally appreciative thread that maybe will awaken some hispanics who read it to become interested in their background and cultural past. Especially when the notion that one of Hispanic decent originates in present day Mexico or other Latin American countries. When infact this is their ancestral historic homeland.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-08-2008, 02:01 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
260 posts, read 519,583 times
Reputation: 117
I am an American of Mexican descent. That is all I need to know. I know where my parents and grandparents were born. Again,that is all I need to know. I don't need nobody to dissect my Heritage. I don't need another label thrust on me. I know what I need to know.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-09-2008, 02:19 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
927 posts, read 1,206,671 times
Reputation: 476
Default The Moors

Quote:
Originally Posted by huckster View Post
Spaniards and Moors did not intermarry enough to differentiate
the spaniard bloodline through absorption , because of limited intermarriage
from differing religions. After 500 years the Moors were expelled from
Spain where they had a deleterious effect on culture , art etc. Then as now
the religion had a suppressing effect.
More to the point, Germans, Romans, Greeks and other cultures
had a more profound effect on the local populace.
Please explain more how the Moorish influence was deleterious in Spain during their reign. From what I understand the Moors had a tremendous culture of their own and were responsible for such wonders as the Escorial.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-09-2008, 02:29 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
927 posts, read 1,206,671 times
Reputation: 476
Default Not exactly

Quote:
Originally Posted by imaterry78259 View Post
Mexican features are North African or Arabic and Asian. Since man originated in Ethopia just go from there.
I'm Mexican American and I don't resemble either Arabs or Ethiopians. My features would widely be considered Spanish more than anything else with a mix of Native American, German, Irish and Native Mexican.

What's interesting to me is how could there not have been any intermingling over the hundreds of years that the Moors ruled Spain. Because if what I believe is true then I've got at least some Arabic blood flowing through me because of Moorish/Spanish intermingling. And the later intermingling that took place in Spanish occupied Mexico.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-09-2009, 02:15 PM
 
Location: San Antonio TX
1 posts, read 1,985 times
Reputation: 10
My grandson (then 16) always preferred Latino. He is of Puerto Rican and Guatemalan parentage. I'm of Mexican descent (and of American Indian probably). My grandson's Guatemalan grandmother looked very Indian (mayan perhaps).
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-09-2009, 04:52 PM
 
15,062 posts, read 19,631,781 times
Reputation: 12219
This has to be one of the stupidest threads I've seen,
anybody that has lived in a Latinamerican country knows that:
1.- EVERYBODY is mixed.
2.- You could find out some people's racial lineage (somewhat) but for most people, it's impossible.
It's like grabbing a drop of water from a lake and trying to find out where it came from.

In Latinamerica, people have been "mixing" (don't like that term) for centuries.
Even Simon Bolivar, Liberator of Venezuela (1783-1830) was accused by many people of not being "pure white" but that he was mixed.

You can tell if people have a lot of White, Black, Ameridian, etc. But for most hispanics, it's impossible to know what they actually are.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-09-2009, 05:18 PM
 
15,062 posts, read 19,631,781 times
Reputation: 12219
Quote:
Originally Posted by huckster View Post
After 500 years the Moors were expelled from
Spain where they had a deleterious effect on culture , art etc. Then as now
the religion had a suppressing effect.
Interesting comment, since people in Spain seem to think that they got a lot of good things from the muslims.
Muslim influence in Spain still felt in daily life - ii, The Milli Gazette, Vol. 2 No. 21

I would also like to know your opinion about the "christian suppressing effect on native americans"
Now, I'm sure many people out of hate or bias would claim that they know how negative the muslim influence was in Spain between 700 AC & 1500 AC.

If you want to be amazed, look at how many words in spanish have their roots in arabic.
Diccionario de Palabras Españolas de Origen Árabe
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-09-2009, 09:50 PM
 
452 posts, read 905,644 times
Reputation: 356
The term "hispanic" just chaps my behind!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-09-2009, 09:57 PM
 
199 posts, read 597,301 times
Reputation: 111
Quote:
Originally Posted by HisLilSecret View Post
The term "hispanic" just chaps my behind!
Why?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Options
X
Data:
Loading data...
Based on 2000-2016 data
Loading data...

123
Hide US histogram

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Texas > San Antonio
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top