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Old 09-02-2014, 12:03 PM
 
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It is totally SUBJECTIVE because the "market areas" are arbitrarily designated as I mentioned! Furthermore, the private company of Nielsen is not a federal agency and their data collecting techniques have been dubious at best.
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Old 09-02-2014, 12:05 PM
 
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In texas everything is BIG the cowboys, texans are not big enough me. What is scary if Raiders do come to San Antonio they will be form into a SPUR infectious winning franchise WOW! and then jealousy and envy kicks in.
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Old 09-02-2014, 01:54 PM
 
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I am disturbed where this discussion is leading to.
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Old 09-02-2014, 01:57 PM
 
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I'm shocked at how delusional it's becoming.
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Old 09-03-2014, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Brentwood
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Well, it was fun while it lasted...

Report: Raiders close in on stadium deal in Oakland | ProFootballTalk
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Old 09-03-2014, 10:48 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Wow! What a shocker. I thought we had it in the bag this time. I wonder what happened. Those NFL deals must be real money makers for the tax payers. The article states that the taxpayers will have to repay $120 M that they used to build their facility a generation ago.
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Old 09-03-2014, 11:33 PM
 
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Default SA football market

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[URL="http://www.tvb.org/media/file/TVB_Market_Profiles_Nielsen_TVHH_DMA_Ranks_2013-2014.pdf"]36th largest TV Market[/URL], so even if the NFL limited itself to just 1 team in each of the largest markets, I don't see that it has enough teams to get to San Antonio.
I always find this assertion to be interesting and misleading. Of course there are smaller markets like Green Bay (which of course relies on Milwaukee and Wisconsin), Jacksonville, New Orleans and Buffalo.

The #35 TV Market is Cincinnati which only has 2,000 more households; however, it has two professional sports teams in MLB and NFL - the Reds and the Bengals - and the MLB is usually considered to be needing a larger TV Market. Cincinnati is 230 miles from Cleveland which has NFL, MLB and NBA. It is only 112 miles from Indianapolis, which has NFL and NBA.

So, of course, SA is large enough and the overall area is lacking in professional sports. When you combine SA/Austin TV market it is the 15th or 16th largest in the nation. And a TV market that size is still much smaller geographically than Denver, Phoenix, Salt Lake City, and Portland, each of which include virtually their entire respective state. Sacramento is #20 and it is so large because it is a swath of land from Sacramento to Stockton to Modesto. The distance from Sacramento to Modesto is exactly the distance from SA to Austin. Now if you take South-Central Texas TV Markets... which would still be smaller geographically than many of the aforementioned the TV Markets, the size would be closer to the 11th largest (SA/Austin/Laredo/Victoria/Corpus Christi/Rio Grand Valley).

It is more reasonable to justify 3 teams in Texas - football loving Texas - than Florida... Texas has a total of 26 million and will be fast approaching 30 million. All the teams will vie for fans in the entire state. The more teams means a higher probability of one or more going further in the playoffs, which will facilitate interest from the entire state - just like the Spurs do...

Even when the NFL looks at certain metrics, they also ask how many people live within 100 miles... In regards to SA that number is fast approaching 5 million people. And finally, back to the TV Market. It is likely that SA has already surpassed Cincinnati and is now 35 based on past growth rates. And if we project future growth it is likely that SA will be the 30th largest TV Market within the next 4-5 years. We can all agree that this is a fast growing area; so we and the NFL should not just look at the present, but also to the future. The following is the growth over the last year:

30. Hartford/New Haven: 999,000 (+3,000 households) [close to NYC 110 miles]
31. Kansas City: 941,000 (+10,000 households) [NFL & MLB]
32. Columbus: 928,000 (-2,000 households) [NHL - 107 miles from Cincinnati]
33. Salt Lake City: 921,000 (+4,000 households) [NBA]
34. Milwaukee: 916,000 (+14,000 households) [MLB, NBA] Green Bay [NFL]
35. Cincinnati: 908,000 (+11,000 households) [MLB, NBA]
36. San Antonio: 906,000 (+25,000 households) [NBA]

If these trends continue by the next Nielsen stats, SA could be number 32. And, Austin is also growing even more rapidly... I do not see how this region can continue to be ignored by the NFL and others. The only real issue is LA getting its team(s)
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Old 09-04-2014, 06:48 AM
 
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Why hasn't the NFL had another round of team expansions? Seems easier to get a brand new team than to get an exiting team to relocate. JMHO
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Old 09-04-2014, 07:02 AM
 
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The Spurs have already told you why it will be a long time before another major league professional sports team calls San Antonio home. There just aren't enough corporate dollars to go around. Just as important as people in the seats is the expensive signage around the stadium. If it can't be sold, it doesn't make financial sense.
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Old 09-04-2014, 03:05 PM
 
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The Spurs have already told you why it will be a long time before another major league professional sports team calls San Antonio home. There just aren't enough corporate dollars to go around. Just as important as people in the seats is the expensive signage around the stadium. If it can't be sold, it doesn't make financial sense.
San Antonio has 5 Fortune 500 Companies: Valero, Tesoro, USAA, CST Brands and CC Media Holdings

Comparable cities: Cincinnati (9), Cleveland (10), Charlotte (7), Indiana - not Indianapolis - (6), Nashville (2), St. Louis (9), San Diego (2), Kansas City (1), Tampa Bay (4), Jacksonville (3), Buffalo (0), Baltimore (0)

[url=http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-09-28/business/bal-baltimore-buffalo-only-nfl-cities-with-no-fortune-500-firms-20130928_1_baltimore-ravens-fortune-500-firms-biz-leader]Baltimore, Buffalo only NFL cities with no Fortune 500 firms - Baltimore Sun[/url]

So... when you compare SA to comparable cities with NFL teams - apples to apples - then SA compares quite favorably. Although, Fortune 500 headquarters is not the only indicator of a corporate base.. it is one. And consider we don't count H.E.B in a list like this. Nevertheless, I am sure in the other metrics SA will compare well to the aforementioned cities. The problem arises when people want to compare SA to Dallas, Houston, LA, NYC, Chicago... that does not make sense.
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