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Old 03-13-2015, 07:32 AM
 
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What is wrong with waiting your turn in line like everyone else and also not cutting in line? Isn't that something they teach in kindergarten?

I understand this is to ease traffic congestion, but this one "solution" is a slippery slope.
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Old 03-13-2015, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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What is wrong with waiting your turn in line like everyone else and also not cutting in line? Isn't that something they teach in kindergarten?
It's not like that at all, but that is the sort of sentiment that will keep politicians from voting for it. You shouldn't feel like it's a cut in line; it's like creating more lines so everyone's line is shorter.

Also motorcycles weaving through highway traffic at high speeds is not lane splitting. The proposed law would only apply to traffic moving 20mph or less; and in practice (California) it's pretty much only used at lights when cars are stopped. Most won't take the risk even in 10-20mph traffic.
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Old 03-13-2015, 08:58 PM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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I've got no problem with it since it appears to already be legal for bicyclists.
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Old 03-15-2015, 03:44 AM
 
Location: the Permian Basin
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The law is unnecessary. I've never seen an officer pull over a motorcyclist for splitting lanes (or for using the shoulder as a passing lane). And although I do ride, I don't split lanes, because it's an incredibly stupid, dangerous, and selfish maneuver.
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Old 03-18-2015, 12:15 PM
 
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So Steve, care to explain why cage drivers get so butt hurt over bikes passing them when traffic is standing still? I've probably had over 20 guys try to start a fist fight with me, until I take my helmet off and they realize they are trying to start a fight with a girl
because right now youre breaking the law, creating an unsafe driving environment and what you are doing is akin to cutting in line just because there happens to be room between a lot of people in front of you.

happy?

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It's not like that at all,

yes, actually it is. wait your damn turn in line, words i wont say. just because you have a smaller vehicle doesnt mean you should get preferential treatment aka lane splitting rights.

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I've got no problem with it since it appears to already be legal for bicyclists.

wrong. bicycles have to follow the same traffic laws as motorcycles and cars/trucks. why yes, i had an angry biker try and start something with me on mulberry because i told him that running a red light in a bike was against the law, as was him lane splitting about 60' back through 6 sets of cars.
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Old 03-18-2015, 12:48 PM
 
Location: San Antonio, Texas
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because right now youre breaking the law, creating an unsafe driving environment and what you are doing is akin to cutting in line just because there happens to be room between a lot of people in front of you.

happy?




yes, actually it is. wait your damn turn in line, words i wont say. just because you have a smaller vehicle doesnt mean you should get preferential treatment aka lane splitting rights.




wrong. bicycles have to follow the same traffic laws as motorcycles and cars/trucks. why yes, i had an angry biker try and start something with me on mulberry because i told him that running a red light in a bike was against the law, as was him lane splitting about 60' back through 6 sets of cars.


Catch me if you can!!!!!!
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Old 03-18-2015, 12:51 PM
 
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Catch me if you can!!!!!!
no need, you'll just slam into my door or the back of my car
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Old 03-18-2015, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Wait your damn turn in line, words i wont say. just because you have a smaller vehicle doesnt mean you should get preferential treatment aka lane splitting rights.
No, it's not like this at all, no preferential treatment to get upset about. It's creating multiple lanes at stop lights, basically. Would you be against adding 2 lanes? It helps everyone get through faster -- that's the only reason states consider making it law, to help move traffic where it is the slowest.

Everyone still gets the same treatment; anyone can use the "in between" lanes if they want, they just have to drive a 2 (or some 3) wheel vehicle. Think of it like 15 items or less express lines at the grocery store -- they are available to anyone, provided you limit your purchase to 15 items or less. In the end, everyone gets out faster because there are more lines, but the person with the fewest items might be out sooner than a person with a full cart. Seems reasonable enough to me.
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Old 03-18-2015, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Herndon, VA
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So much ignorance in this thread. I'm sorry, but there is. The only thing the detractors are worried about is "You should wait in line like everyone else.". Wow, are we in kindergarten here? Europe and California have known for years that this is a good practice for both the safety of the motorcyclist and traffic congestion. The more motorcycles that participate in lane sharing the less chance of a motorcyclist getting butt ended and the less cars you have in front of you during your commute. This is beneficial to everyone.

Get it?
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Old 03-18-2015, 01:52 PM
 
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No, it's not like this at all, no preferential treatment to get upset about. It's creating multiple lanes at stop lights, basically. Would you be against adding 2 lanes? It helps everyone get through faster -- that's the only reason states consider making it law, to help move traffic where it is the slowest.

Everyone still gets the same treatment; anyone can use the "in between" lanes if they want, they just have to drive a 2 (or some 3) wheel vehicle. Think of it like 15 items or less express lines at the grocery store -- they are available to anyone, provided you limit your purchase to 15 items or less. In the end, everyone gets out faster because there are more lines, but the person with the fewest items might be out sooner than a person with a full cart. Seems reasonable enough to me.
when only one type of vehicle (motorcycles) is allowed to lane split, then yes, it is preferential treatment. nothing will change that.

you are not adding lanes, you are going in between 2 existing lanes. no lane is being added when you lane split.

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So much ignorance in this thread. I'm sorry, but there is. The only thing the detractors are worried about is "You should wait in line like everyone else.". Wow, are we in kindergarten here? Europe and California have known for years that this is a good practice for both the safety of the motorcyclist and traffic congestion. The more motorcycles that participate in lane sharing the less chance of a motorcyclist getting butt ended and the less cars you have in front of you during your commute. This is beneficial to everyone.

Get it?
no, this is only beneficial to lane splitters / bike riders. it does not benefit cars or trucks at all. you do realize that those motorcycles have to merge back with traffic eventually, right? eventually, they get back in line like everyone else. so again. yes, wait your turn like everyone else. lane splitting benefits only motorcyclists and bike riders, NO ONE else.

not sure how a bike going in between 2 cars is safe, even at low speeds.. if you'd cite some studies that show lane splitting is safe and cuts down on congestion.. oh wait. you cant. quick googling shows the only 'studies' are done by groups that have an interest in making lane splitting legal. no unbiased sources.

I mean, even california said "At the same time, these motorcyclists were more than twice as likely to rear-end another vehicle". got that from the last google link on the first page when you search for 'lane splitting studies'.

so yeah, i dont want you with a 2x more chance to cause an accident just because you have to get 30' ahead of people before you are forced to merge back into traffic.
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