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Old 03-18-2015, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Herndon, VA
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no, this is only beneficial to lane splitters / bike riders. it does not benefit cars or trucks at all. you do realize that those motorcycles have to merge back with traffic eventually, right? eventually, they get back in line like everyone else. so again. yes, wait your turn like everyone else. lane splitting benefits only motorcyclists and bike riders, NO ONE else.

not sure how a bike going in between 2 cars is safe, even at low speeds.. if you'd cite some studies that show lane splitting is safe and cuts down on congestion.. oh wait. you cant. quick googling shows the only 'studies' are done by groups that have an interest in making lane splitting legal. no unbiased sources.

I mean, even california said "At the same time, these motorcyclists were more than twice as likely to rear-end another vehicle". got that from the last google link on the first page when you search for 'lane splitting studies'.

so yeah, i dont want you with a 2x more chance to cause an accident just because you have to get 30' ahead of people before you are forced to merge back into traffic.
Ignorance from a non-rider. Seriously, people like you don't even belong in this conversation.
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Old 03-18-2015, 02:23 PM
 
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Yeah, it's soooo difficult to merge back into traffic on a motorcycle. The only time it would be hard at all is if there were a lot of traffic ahead of the light as well and nothing but inconsiderate jerks on the road.
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Old 03-18-2015, 03:47 PM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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Like I said, Darwin to the rescue. There's no problem with lane splitting that he cannot handle.
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Old 03-18-2015, 03:55 PM
 
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You don't know me, so you don't know what I can or can't handle. I could be the worst driver/motorcyclist on the road, or the best you've seen. Or not drive or ride at all. You're making assumptions you can't back up with fact because you've run out of reasons for why you don't want it.
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Old 03-18-2015, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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After researching this topic, I am opposed to lane splitting. I do not consider it a safe practice. What research I have done indicates that it is not a safe practice and the claims that say otherwise cannot be substantiated.

In a recent Berkeley study undertaken with the California Highway Patrol’s assistance, 7,836 motorcycle crashes were examined closely, with some 1,163 of these crashes having occurred while the rider was lane splitting.

That is almost 15% of the accidents.

Of the respondents who had an accident while lane splitting in 2012, 2013 and 2014, 20 to 46% nearly hit a vehicle in the last 12 months. Of those who did hit a vehicle 27 to 46% hit a mirror, 11-22% had minor injuries, and 7-10% had major injuries (broken bones, lacerations, trauma).

http://www.ots.ca.gov/pdf/Publicatio...tingSurvey.pdf

This Wikipedia article on lane splitting indicates that the two studies which lane splitting supporters most often cite as evidence that land splitting is safer (the HURT report of 1981 and US DOT FARS database), do not actually contain any such findings. Lane splitting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Preliminary results from a study in the United Kingdom, conducted by the University of Nottingham for the Department for Transport, show that filtering is responsible for around 5% of motorcycle Killed or Seriously Injured (KSI) accidents.
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Old 03-18-2015, 04:06 PM
 
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"Riders who were splitting at the time of their accident were significantly less likely to be injured in every category than those who weren’t: 45 percent fewer head injuries, 21 percent fewer neck injuries, 32 percent fewer torso injuries, 12 percent fewer arm/leg injuries, and 55 percent fewer fatalities."
"Filtering bikes work their way to the front of stopped traffic at red lights, and accelerate away much quicker than the cars around them. When they reach the next stoppage, they disappear again between the lanes and no car is held up."
"A 2012 Belgian study found that if just 10 percent of drivers were to switch to motorcycles and filter through traffic, travel times would decrease for the remaining car drivers by some eight minutes per journey. This benefit would not exist if motorcyclists ignored the inherent advantages of their smaller, narrower vehicles and sat in line like cars."
"The same study found considerable environmental benefits to lane splitting. Not because bikes emit less carbon (many larger bikes are as bad as cars), but because every bike that lane splits actively reduces the amount of time every other vehicle on the road spends sitting in traffic jams."
http://www.gizmag.com/motorcycle-lan...esearch/34425/
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Old 03-18-2015, 04:09 PM
 
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"Motorcyclists were categorized by whether their lane-splitting was done in a manner consistent
with safe and prudent lane splitting — consistent with the traffic speed component only, the motorcycle
excess speed component only, both components, neither component, and unknown status. Motorcyclists
who were lane-splitting consistent with both components had the lowest proportion of each injury type."
"LSM were also less likely to be rear-ended (Table 3) by another vehicle (2.7%) than were other
motorcyclists(4.6%)."

http://www.ots.ca.gov/pdf/Publicatio...tingReport.pdf
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Old 03-18-2015, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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"Riders who were splitting at the time of their accident were significantly less likely to be injured in every category than those who werenít: 45 percent fewer head injuries, 21 percent fewer neck injuries, 32 percent fewer torso injuries, 12 percent fewer arm/leg injuries, and 55 percent fewer fatalities."
First off the article you quote is written by a motorcyclist, who is obviously biased in his opinions.

That quote above is comparing accidents that occurred while lane splitting to all other motorcycle accidents. The majority of which happen at higher speeds. Of course accidents that occur at lower speeds are not as likely to result in injuries as serious as those that occur at higher speeds. But that does not make land splitting safe.

Since accidents that happen at lower speeds are so much safer than those at high speeds, perhaps all motorcyclists should be required to drive no faster than 15 mph.

In regard to the other so called benefits, there are not enough motorcyclists on the road to result in a significant improvement to traffic flow.
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Old 03-18-2015, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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when only one type of vehicle (motorcycles) is allowed to lane split, then yes, it is preferential treatment. nothing will change that. You are not adding lanes, you are going in between 2 existing lanes. no lane is being added when you lane split.
I disagree. Preferential treatment would imply you are giving one person a privilege that others don't get -- which is not the case. Anyone can do it, you just have to be on a motorcycle. Just like anyone can use the express line at the store if they have 15 items (or whatever) or less. Or how pedestrians can use the sidewalk but not cars, bikes can use the bike lanes, etc. Don't focus on the objects (# of grocery items, type of vehicle, or no vehicle) and you'll reach the same conclusion. It's perfectly fair.

Safety is another matter, but the vast majority of the potential safety consequences fall on the rider, and the proposed law limits the speed to 20mph, so I say caveat emptor.

That said, I don't think you have to worry about this law passing. Most voters think just like you do, and politicians are good about avoiding things that would **** their voters off.
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Old 03-18-2015, 07:16 PM
 
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In regard to the other so called benefits, there are not enough motorcyclists on the road to result in a significant improvement to traffic flow.
If the majority of people on the road were using motorcycles, then I can't see lane splitting being allowed either. At that point, it would defiantly be "cutting in line" to do so.
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