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Old 08-04-2017, 07:46 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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There is a movement by Mayor Nirenberg and two council members to remove civil war statues. Perhaps saner minds might surface, but I think not.

Who are we to judge and condemn what happened 150 years ago?

Lest we refuse to remember what happened and learn from it, consider it is 150 years hence, 2167.

What was Durango but renamed in a political frenzy to Caesar Chavez was later renamed Ivy Taylor Blvd, but today is named Via MS-13. No black should be honored in San Antonio. The crumbling road is festooned with Honduran and Guatemala flags.

Also Ron Nirenberg Park, where Camp Bullis once resided, has now become a Zeta safehaven, its entrance blocked by armed guards, with a Mexico flag waving at its entrance. No one with a Jewish ancestry will have a park named in the current city structure.

Far fetched? Maybe.Maybe not.

San Houston was against secession. His statue resides among Civil War heroes.

Perhaps we need to study and heed history's lessons rather try to erase them.

 
Old 08-04-2017, 08:51 PM
 
Location: New Braunfels, TX
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Ain't going to happen - the city is in the throes of liberal ecstasy - and there's MUCH more to come.
 
Old 08-05-2017, 06:49 AM
 
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Default Regional movement,

A local movement......sure. Entire Cities are in error. Regions are even in error.
I suppose all the other cities that have removed such repulsive mementos of that ugly period when people kept each other in chains and then even killed their own brothers to keep their falsely elevated status by force, needs mementos of the valor it took to follow blindly.
Lest we forget and we chain our brothers again.
Sure.
It is far more than two San Antonio council members. Sister city New Orleans just removed the ideas of a false worship of such wrong headed and immoral ideals. Stupid.
This is a historical trend that is happening everywhere down here. Let us face up to it- it was a bad idea. Cement mementos? Get over it. Never mind the loathing the monuments require of African Americans in their own home. This does not need commemoration. So.....
In order to retain political correctness for the people that that are not content- a statue of Trent Lott should be raised downtown.
The famous unfortunate career ruining untoward remarks of Lott happened well after the civil war times so he would not be regarded in the same light by those of us that do not need reminders of a time so oppressive.

It was a lesson so hard learned that statues commemorating slavery endorsement are needed ? Sure.

Yes indeed, Trent Lott alongside a statue of Santa Anna. Two bad ideas commemorated and in this way all local parties will be satisfied. Like a balanced political ticket these would satisfy everybody.
Lest we forget. Statues for both ideas.

If the fifty five thousand casualties from the battle at Gettysburg alone weren't enough for those of us hard headed enough not to have learned a lesson, not to mention the centuries of oppression and misery for those unfortunate of us that were whipped and chained- then these will never recall anything without a statue raised to it?
These are the ones that would enlist again.
Maybe a statue for Benedict Arnold would be appropriate too. Lest we forget.
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Originally Posted by WilGar View Post
Let

There is a movement by Mayor Nirenberg and two council members to remove civil war statues. Perhaps saner minds might surface, but I think not.

Who are we to judge and condemn what happened 150 years ago?

Lest we refuse to remember what happened and learn from it, consider it is 150 years hence, 2167.

What was Durango but renamed in a political frenzy to Caesar Chavez was later renamed Ivy Taylor Blvd, but today is named Via MS-13. No black should be honored in San Antonio. The crumbling road is festooned with Honduran and Guatemala flags.

Also Ron Nirenberg Park, where Camp Bullis once resided, has now become a Zeta safehaven, its entrance blocked by armed guards, with a Mexico flag waving at its entrance. No one with a Jewish ancestry will have a park named in the current city structure.

Far fetched? Maybe.Maybe not.

San Houston was against secession. His statue resides among Civil War heroes.

Perhaps we need to study and heed history's lessons rather try to erase them.
 
Old 08-05-2017, 07:13 AM
 
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I am a bit on the fence on this one. This isn't something to blame on liberals or conservatives but people of color who just can't appreciate US history but only play the race card.
 
Old 08-05-2017, 07:16 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Originally Posted by huckster View Post
A local movement......sure. Entire Cities are in error. Regions are even in error.
I suppose all the other cities that have removed such repulsive mementos of that ugly period when people kept each other in chains and then even killed their own brothers to keep their falsely elevated status by force, needs mementos of the valor it took to follow blindly.
Lest we forget and we chain our brothers again.
Sure.
It is far more than two San Antonio council members. Sister city New Orleans just removed the ideas of a false worship of such wrong headed and immoral ideals. Stupid.
This is a historical trend that is happening everywhere down here. Let us face up to it- it was a bad idea. Cement mementos? Get over it. Never mind the loathing the monuments require of African Americans in their own home. This does not need commemoration. So.....
In order to retain political correctness for the people that that are not content- a statue of Trent Lott should be raised downtown.
The famous unfortunate career ruining untoward remarks of Lott happened well after the civil war times so he would not be regarded in the same light by those of us that do not need reminders of a time so oppressive.

It was a lesson so hard learned that statues commemorating slavery endorsement are needed ? Sure.

Yes indeed, Trent Lott alongside a statue of Santa Anna. Two bad ideas commemorated and in this way all local parties will be satisfied. Like a balanced political ticket these would satisfy everybody.
Lest we forget. Statues for both ideas.

If the fifty five thousand casualties from the battle at Gettysburg alone weren't enough for those of us hard headed enough not to have learned a lesson, not to mention the centuries of oppression and misery for those unfortunate of us that were whipped and chained- then these will never recall anything without a statue raised to it?
These are the ones that would enlist again.
Maybe a statue for Benedict Arnold would be appropriate too. Lest we forget.
What you fail to realize is that if we are to remove all the confederate statues then we also need to do the following with your ilks logic:

Change the name of Travis Park
Rename Houston St
Rename the Robert E Lee building
Take Washington off our currency
Rename a state and our nations capital
And so on and so on.

All of this just so some people feel safe from something that happened over a hundred years ago. You do realize that a racist does not give two sh$&@ about a monument. They don't walk by a statue and hate more. Finally? Where were all these offended people before? Nothing has changed for the worse in the last twenty years.
 
Old 08-05-2017, 07:16 AM
 
Location: USA
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Yes, let's re-write history for some liberal/progressive, Utopian fantasy.
 
Old 08-05-2017, 10:41 AM
 
Location: New Braunfels, TX
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And anyone that thinks the Civil War was about slavery has never really studied history.
 
Old 08-05-2017, 02:58 PM
 
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Some states wrote in their declarations of secession that one of the reasons why they were seceding was slavery. Texas was one of them. It was actually Texas' main reason. The people who don't know that didn't study history. Obviously, looking at statues didn't teach them anything. You have to honor people with statues in order to remember history? I've never heard of that. I guess we should erect more statues to honor everyone in history whether they were good or bad because we don't have books, the Internet, and history classes.
 
Old 08-05-2017, 03:11 PM
 
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Originally Posted by WilGar View Post
Let

There is a movement by Mayor Nirenberg and two council members to remove civil war statues. Perhaps saner minds might surface, but I think not.

Who are we to judge and condemn what happened 150 years ago?

Lest we refuse to remember what happened and learn from it, consider it is 150 years hence, 2167.

What was Durango but renamed in a political frenzy to Caesar Chavez was later renamed Ivy Taylor Blvd, but today is named Via MS-13. No black should be honored in San Antonio. The crumbling road is festooned with Honduran and Guatemala flags.

Also Ron Nirenberg Park, where Camp Bullis once resided, has now become a Zeta safehaven, its entrance blocked by armed guards, with a Mexico flag waving at its entrance. No one with a Jewish ancestry will have a park named in the current city structure.

Far fetched? Maybe.Maybe not.

San Houston was against secession. His statue resides among Civil War heroes.

Perhaps we need to study and heed history's lessons rather try to erase them.

I didn't know that Ivy Taylor enslaved a whole race of people and wrote a declaration of secession that mostly talked about how they were inferior and didn't deserve equality. I know a lot of people don't like her, but she isn't that evil.

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You do realize that a racist does not give two sh$&@ about a monument.
They could have fooled me. I guess white nationalist groups waste time protesting these things because they don't care? They don't have anything better to do?
 
Old 08-05-2017, 05:59 PM
 
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Default To re-invent the wheel,

No need to reinvent the wheel here where place names are concerned, don't go get over enthusiastic rynethree. Your paranoia is unwarranted. This is about Gen'l Lee statues only.
There is no need to re-name any parks, streets, - nor change the name of Houston, Tx either.
An impossible task.
No one has claimed this need of re-naming of everything, excepting you.

All that has been done so far was to take the Rebel Flags down off the State Capitol domes and also move some statues to a less prominent position and let the pigeons do their thing somewheres else. Some place else. Hopefully nowheres else. The States of the deep south have done this, the land of Jim Crow. So...

By your thinking also, taken to the nth degree, we will also need to give the Indians back the entire U.S. of America. We all stole it right from under their feet- so it is time to make amends? I doubt that will happen. Let the Indian reservations flourish. THEY deserve an entitlement too.

There is no need to re-name anything at all. People in San Antonio get overly excited about the re-naming of streets I have noticed. Down right emotional. Screaming and stamping of feet, tears.... Not now Rye. Two new statues are all that are needed. And the removal of Gen'l Lee.
After all Rynethree, this is the perfect time just as the gaudy Cenotaph will be moved away from the Alamo.

The Statue in Travis Park needs to be taken down, as the statue of the oppressor Hussein was toppled. Timber!!

Where were all of the offended people all this time you ask ? Right next to you in line at the HEB. You did not recognize it or even have an inkling. The fifties were a great time to be an American it is said, the post - war prosperity, the brand new housing subdivisions with two car garages, supermarkets, etc.
Unless you were black.

For a very long time, they had not better say anything either. Yes, Now they have a voice. We need to listen.
It is time.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rynetwo View Post
What you fail to realize is that if we are to remove all the confederate statues then we also need to do the following with your ilks logic:

Change the name of Travis Park
Rename Houston St
Rename the Robert E Lee building
Take Washington off our currency
Rename a state and our nations capital
And so on and so on.

All of this just so some people feel safe from something that happened over a hundred years ago. You do realize that a racist does not give two sh$&@ about a monument. They don't walk by a statue and hate more. Finally? Where were all these offended people before? Nothing has changed for the worse in the last twenty years.
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