281 Toll Expansion Update - Project Awarded (Houston, San Antonio: houses, property taxes, prices)

[benandgrace]

Originally Posted by TexHwyMan

You have to look closely at the map, but you'll notice that the line for 281 changes color at Sonterra from a dark orange to a lighter colored orange. The dark orange color indicates a freeway; the lighter colored orange indicates a "primary highway" (which means a surface road with at-grade intersections that often have traffic signals.) Note that the lighter orange is the same line used for SH 46, Bandera Rd., the southern 2/3 of 1604, etc., all of which are also non-freeway roads. I realize that you're not familiar with the local roads, but all you have to do is compare that line with the lines used for the Interstates (which you know are of course freeways), and you can tell that they're different types of roads. When in doubt, you can always click the map legend link at the bottom.

I can't believe I overlooked that . Thanks.

Thanks to others also.

[crusade]

Anyone who wants a toll road should get their heads checked.
And seriously check into what they plan.
The real problem in San antonio stems from a lack of traffic enforcement and a general ********* attitude of %90 of the drivers.Heck the cops here regularly drive as bad or worse than the regular drivers(I didn't think that was possible,considering San Antonio has the nations worse drivers hands down and the stats prove it.Something to get that good ol Texas pride all worked up over)
Stiff fines will fix that in a month.
If Bigfoot were sighted as often as texans run stops signs,swerve,speed,drive on the shoulder,tailgate,push people out of the way,smash into other cars,cut someone off.You could walk 10 feet without seeing one.
So sure,go head on with that there extra tax and ignore the real problem(Texas pride).
You'll be pissin about the tolls and restrictions soon enough.
Don't mess with Texas,It is hard to ride the short bus......

[Ms. 01 Snake]

Originally Posted by crusade

Anyone who wants a toll road should get their heads checked.
And seriously check into what they plan.
The real problem in San antonio stems from a lack of traffic enforcement and a general ********* attitude of %90 of the drivers.Heck the cops here regularly drive as bad or worse than the regular drivers(I didn't think that was possible,considering San Antonio has the nations worse drivers hands down and the stats prove it.Something to get that good ol Texas pride all worked up over)
Stiff fines will fix that in a month.
If Bigfoot were sighted as often as texans run stops signs,swerve,speed,drive on the shoulder,tailgate,push people out of the way,smash into other cars,cut someone off.You could walk 10 feet without seeing one.
So sure,go head on with that there extra tax and ignore the real problem(Texas pride).
You'll be pissin about the tolls and restrictions soon enough.
Don't mess with Texas,It is hard to ride the short bus......

Most of the "Big Cities" I have been to have toll roads. It is an option. One I will gladly pay for to avoid traffic. Hurry up and get them built.

[tgannaway89]

Stiff fines will fix that in a month? Have you ever been to SA crusade? You really think 1 month of strict fines will solve the traffic problem on 281? There are so many flaws with that idea I don't even know where to begin. You do realize some 2 million locals and over 20 million visitors use these roads throughout the year? 281 isn't a major highway North of 1604 where it is directed by traffic lights. It is terribly overcrowded. I really don't see any logic in strict fines over toll options.

[SanAntoQT]

Originally Posted by crusade The real problem in San antonio stems from a lack of traffic enforcement and a general ********* attitude of %90 of the drivers.Heck the cops here regularly drive as bad or worse than the regular drivers(I didn't think that was possible,considering San Antonio has the nations worse drivers hands down and the stats prove it.Something to get that good ol Texas pride all worked up over)

You posted this garbage on another thread, but never backed up your stats. Please provide them.

So sure,go head on with that there extra tax and ignore the real problem(Texas pride).

You seem a bit too focused on our TEXAS pride. I'm still not sure how that contributes to the traffic or this thread, for that matter.

It is hard to ride the short bus......

Yet, you came all the way to TEXAS on it to tell us that!

[EJ4512]

Well looks like the toll project on 281 has stalled once again and now there will be NOTHING, tolled or non-tolled, for the foreseeable future according to the the Express-News today. What a mess this has become !!!!

[bresilhac]

Originally Posted by EJ4512

Well looks like the toll project on 281 has stalled once again and now there will be NOTHING, tolled or non-tolled, for the foreseeable future according to the the Express-News today. What a mess this has become !!!!

Well you know who is to blame for all of these senseless delays. The anti-toll crowd and their stupid and frivolous lawsuits. If not for these ridiculous delays the project would be near completion now. When will these egotistical anti-toll morons understand that you cannot force your narrow view of how things should be upon the rest of the citizenry? Meanwhile the traffic situation worsens daily. But you won't hear that from the anti-toll road crowd.

[ged_782]

I heard Terri Hall on the radio earlier today. She was ecstatic over the news, saying this means the toll project is dead and we can now move forward with the original plan to construct flyover bridges at major intersections.

But other pundits have said the environmental issues means no construction at all can take place on 281 North for the foreseeable future. I haven't followed this debate too closely, primarily because I rarely drive 281 North, But it sounds like the anti-toll crowd isn't opposed to improvements on 281, they are just arguing that the road needs to be toll-free and fully funded by tax dollars.

If there are environmental issues with building a toll road, wouldn't there be environmental issues with building flyover bridges?

[tgannaway89]

How shocking

Don't you just love when people go out of their way to create an inconvenience for everyone else?

We NEED a solution to this problem... it will not just go away.

Why should we all pay for this road when many of us will never use it? Those that live in the area are begging for relief be it tolled or not. Those of us that live in other parts of the city were glad to see it tolled so that we will not have to pay our taxes to fund it. It was a win-win situation... but anti-toll groups like the attention too much.

[scuba steve]

Sounds like they should've proceeded with the environmental study a little more carefully, from what I read. Whether they're real or apparent, conflicts of interest mess things up all the time when it comes to government contracting.