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Old 06-16-2008, 01:27 AM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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Amendment 4 - Search and Seizure

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

So shouldn't this fall under an unreasonable search and seizure? Forcing people to either basically strip down (without actually taking clothes off) or get pat down seems to be pretty unreasonable. This stuff really pisses me off.
You don't have to fly ... and we all want to be safe while on a flight, correct? It would be an unreasonable search if they came to your home or went to your work or approached you off the streets to do such searches or seizures.

You've gotta compromise a few liberties to ensure that safety... and how bad can it be? They'll see thousands of bodies per day, what would make yours or any of ours any different? (rhetorical question -- don't answer! )
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Old 06-16-2008, 12:26 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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You don't have to fly ... and we all want to be safe while on a flight, correct? It would be an unreasonable search if they came to your home or went to your work or approached you off the streets to do such searches or seizures.

You've gotta compromise a few liberties to ensure that safety... and how bad can it be? They'll see thousands of bodies per day, what would make yours or any of ours any different? (rhetorical question -- don't answer! )
I gotta use the quote, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety". Just because the government takes them away during "wartime", what makes you think you will ever get them back? In reality, you shouldnt give up your liberties for safety. Why does anyone think giving away liberties so you can keep your liberties makes any sense? And you are correct I dont have to fly, but this is a government agency doing the searches (TSA). What happened to the puffer things anyway? I guess that wasnt intrusive enough?
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Old 06-16-2008, 04:19 PM
 
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Of course the day that a bomb blows a plane filled with loved ones will be the day folks start yelling, where was the security measures. Then DHS will say, well we didn't want to take your liberties away so your loved one had to die, sorry. I can see the lawsuits flying.

I'm fine with giving up my so called privacy, which hasn't been private for many many years now, if it's going to keep my family and I safe.

If you honestly think that you have privacy then you don't know what the heck your talking about, get off the couch and stop drinking the juice.
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Old 06-16-2008, 04:58 PM
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Looks like we can't even keep our "privates" private anymore.

If you aren't hiding anything, what's the big deal? Somebody, somewhere, is watching you now anyway. Careful where you pick your nose! It's on someone's camera.
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Old 06-16-2008, 05:25 PM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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1StarRanch is spot on. If you want privacy, stay home. If you venture out in public, you are going to have to accept a little loss of privacy and liberties for the greater good of society. I guess those of us who spent time in the military are more used to it, as we had our privacy and liberties taken away from us so we could defend those very rights for everyone else!

And if you think that "Big Brother" is bad here (the George Orwell scenario, not the horrible TV reality show), it is much worse in the UK. According to the latest studies, Britain has a staggering 4.2million CCTV cameras--one for every 14 people in the country--and 20 per cent of cameras globally. It has been calculated that each Briton is caught on camera an average of 300 times daily!

Cheers! M2
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Old 06-16-2008, 05:48 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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I get the idea that we dont actually have much privacy anymore. So because of this, I should give away more of my privacy? The logic on this board is maddening and makes my head explode. Going outside and being seen by other people is a big difference than basically getting naked to be "allowed" to fly. So are cavity searches next? Who wants to sign up? I mean i just wanna be safe!! Dont hurt me!
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Old 06-16-2008, 06:01 PM
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I get the idea that we dont actually have much privacy anymore. So because of this, I should give away more of my privacy? The logic on this board is maddening and makes my head explode. Going outside and being seen by other people is a big difference than basically getting naked to be "allowed" to fly. So are cavity searches next? Who wants to sign up? I mean i just wanna be safe!! Dont hurt me!
Better your head than some terrorist's bomb. Sorry, couldn't resist.
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Old 06-16-2008, 06:05 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Better your head than some terrorist's bomb. Sorry, couldn't resist.
touche
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Old 06-16-2008, 07:24 PM
 
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My issue has more to do with our culture of fear. Everyone thinks these measures make us safe, yet it's not hard to get past them.

Security is a reasonable concern, but the culture of fear we live with now - generated by the scare tactics of our media and government - is not something I think is reasonable. I'm not hugely bothered by the excess security measures, I do what I'm told, but I don't think they make us any more safe. I think they just make people more afraid.
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Old 11-06-2010, 08:56 PM
 
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my question is When will this violating our personal life stop? when each person has a chip inside their body to track and control their every movement? Then I ask why they want to do this? Is it really for our protection or some other reason? this stuff scares the hell out of me when I look at why this is really happening....
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